[GDT] 2023 NHL Trade Deadline

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

He has 3. 4 counting Stone. And he can trade for 2023 picks right up to the draft.

All his big pieces are 2024 UFAs, not 2023, and I've gone over and over why these are not easy contracts to move at this time. And why the evaluation has been skewed due to goaltending anyway.

Your last sentence is pretty key though. What is a fair offer for Lindholm? I'd say more than any player so far.

2023+2024 ufas

[JurassicTunga12]

Time is up-ish.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

2023+2024 ufas

What other 2024 UFAs who make $4-6M have been traded for big returns? The market is limited and will expand in June.

[sureLoss]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1631746572907151380

[Moneyhands23]

I guess it's golf and baseball going forward

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So Flames' strategy today was essentially do nothing, without doing nothing?

Seems like time well spent.

[Moneyhands23]

Soooooo...as I'm off work I think I'll go get beers, drink all day and be in bed by 8

[bluejays]

I’m not surprised at all, as days ago when there were no rumours it indicated a little they’d be looking to give these guys a vote of confidence. Looks to be true. On one hand, I’m glad they didn’t sink more into a sinking ship. On the other hand knowing it’s a sinking ship, and the market being hot in previous days really they should have been smarter to unload some pending FAs while they could. This is why we’re middling.

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Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Soooooo...as I'm off work I think I'll go get beers, drink all day and be in bed by 8

Bottoms up!

[SuperMatt18]

The Carolina one is surprising to me.

Feels like that was the most natural fit to the Flames to me, but sounds like they weren't willing to move anything.

Colorado not making another trade is a big surprise too - rumors were they wanted to push all in for one more year while MacKinnon is still cheap.

Also surprised by Winnipeg. Hellebuyck is a UFA in 18 months...at some point you need to try to win with that group and try to add to them.

Actually all of the West was a failure to me - there is no real good team in the West. Somebody should have pushed the chips in (I actually didn't love Edmonton's moves which were kind of lateral too Bjugstad = Puljujarvi, Ekholm > Barrie but not by what they paid for the upgrade)

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by bluejays

I’m not surprised at all, as days ago when there were no rumours it indicated a little they’d be looking to give these guys a vote of confidence. Looks to be true. On one hand, I’m glad they didn’t sink more into a sinking ship. On the other hand knowing it’s a sinking ship, and the market being hot in previous days really they should have been smarter to unload some pending FAs while they could. This is why we’re middling.

There are the pending FAs:

Lucic - NMC and no one wants him.
Lewis - no one wants him. I like him but everyone has a Lewis.
Ritchie - no one wants him. Everyone has a Ritchie
Stone - hurt
Mackey - no one wants him, plus he's RFA with arb rights anyway
Duehr - don't trade this guy.

2024 UFAs they have. But those guys are a lot harder to move versus in the off season, plus I don't think they want to move them anyway.

I think their strategy is to write off this season as cratered by bad goaltending and try again with Markstrom hopefully rebounding and with Wolf in the wings.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

The Carolina one is surprising to me.

Feels like that was the most natural fit to the Flames to me, but sounds like they weren't willing to move anything.

Colorado not making another trade is a big surprise too - rumors were they wanted to push all in for one more year while MacKinnon is still cheap.

Also surprised by Winnipeg. Hellebuyck is a UFA in 18 months...at some point you need to try to win with that group and try to add to them.

Actually all of the West was a failure to me - there is no real good team in the West. Somebody should have pushed the chips in (I actually didn't love Edmonton's moves which were kind of lateral too Bjugstad = Puljujarvi, Ekholm > Barrie but not by what they paid for the upgrade)

Agreed on the Jets. Are they too dismayed by their late crash to make any moves? Are they counting on injury returnees? They added Nino and Namestikov but surely they need D depth and maybe an improvement at backup G.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

There are the pending FAs:

Lucic - NMC and no one wants him.
Lewis - no one wants him. I like him but everyone has a Lewis.
Ritchie - no one wants him. Everyone has a Ritchie
Stone - hurt
Mackey - no one wants him, plus he's RFA with arb rights anyway
Duehr - don't trade this guy.

2024 UFAs they have. But those guys are a lot harder to move versus in the off season, plus I don't think they want to move them anyway.

I think their strategy is to write off this season as cratered by bad goaltending and try again with Markstrom hopefully rebounding and with Wolf in the wings.

I’m not disagreeing with you but regarding Markstrom he’s done. Mentally he’s broken since last playoffs. Going at it again next year with hopes he recovers is madness. I’d jettison him out.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by bluejays

I’m not disagreeing with you but regarding Markstrom he’s done. Mentally he’s broken since last playoffs. Going at it again next year with hopes he recovers is madness. I’d jettison him out.

Jettison him how?

Easier said than done.

[McG]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

There are the pending FAs:

Lucic - NMC and no one wants him.
Lewis - no one wants him. I like him but everyone has a Lewis.
Ritchie - no one wants him. Everyone has a Ritchie
Stone - hurt
Mackey - no one wants him, plus he's RFA with arb rights anyway
Duehr - don't trade this guy.

2024 UFAs they have. But those guys are a lot harder to move versus in the off season, plus I don't think they want to move them anyway.

I think their strategy is to write off this season as cratered by bad goaltending and try again with Markstrom hopefully rebounding and with Wolf in the wings.

Good post.

Lucic, Lewis and Stone walk as UFAs; maybe Stone for minimum signs again in the summer.

Mackey and Ritchie out.

Duehr likely gets a show me deal.

[Nelson]

I'm relatively pleased with the Flames' deadline. I was one of the people pushing to trade older players for futures. However, I can accept maintaining the status quo, which is basically what the Flames did. What I would not have been happy about is paying futures for older players.

I say that the Flames basically maintained the status quo because neither deal is a headliner. The Dryden Hunt trade is a nothing burger. That said, I actually like the other trade quite a bit. I see it as Nick being an upgrade on Brett and Stetcher being an upgrade on Mackie.

[midniteowl]

I’m not disagreeing with you but regarding Markstrom he’s done. Mentally he’s broken since last playoffs. Going at it again next year with hopes he recovers is madness. I’d jettison him out.

A lot of goalies have rebounded after a bad year. And if he is as "done" as you're insisting, who would want to trade for him? Are you preparing to attach a first to get rid of him?

[Dion]

Originally Posted by bluejays

I’m not disagreeing with you but regarding Markstrom he’s done. Mentally he’s broken since last playoffs. Going at it again next year with hopes he recovers is madness. I’d jettison him out.

I'd find him a really good sports psychologist who can help him get his confidence back.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Big Shout-Out to the CP Mods and Techs for keeping this forum running smoothly today. Trade Deadline Day is usually chaos.

[Pipty]

Toffoli should have gotten something, next year his stock will drop. Terrific management