2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[14Roman14]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I think the biggest let down by the Flames not doing anything outside of getting assets we could REALLY REALLY use the fact we should be using these last 15-20 games to call up some guys and see what we have for next year.

This because we're going to need at minimum 2-3 ELC type contracts if we dont make moves.

Give Zary a look
Give Wolf a look
Phillips likely doesnt re-sign with Flames org so no point
Maybe a Ben Jones?

Not clearing out bottom 6 bloat is killing us, there's really no excuse a Ritchie/Lewis/Rooney type guy hasnt been moved for a 4-6th.

I get this take, however the wranglers are in a top position in the AHL.
Will these guys gain more from a late season call up or a long playoff run and hopefully a championship season finishing out down there?

[soulchoice]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Kadri is 32? Huberdeau is going to make 10.5M coming off a 60pt season

They have negative values

I doubt he even gets to 60 pts.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

It’s soft but IIRC when they showed it last night of the 5 teams with the softest schedule 3 are teams they’re chasing. Run or not the Flames are likely ending the year 5-9 points out of the playoffs

I mean more for in terms of dropping into the bottom 10.

I think we will stay in that 12-16 range for drafting for sure.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by 14Roman14

I get this take, however the wranglers are in a top position in the AHL.
Will these guys gain more from a late season call up or a long playoff run and hopefully a championship season finishing out down there?

A ten game run in the NHL is more valuable than two Calder Cups. Just ask Walker Duerr

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

The schedule is also pretty soft down the stretch - so I wouldn't be surprised for them to go a bit of a run and still fall short for sure.

The second we hit 1pm and the Flames still have their prospects and picks I'll be cheering like hell for a crazy finish.

[Bleeding Red]

I have a silly question - Does nobody believe that any of the Flames will be better next year? Or is the consensus is that these guys are what they are - Markstrom is a less than average goalie, Huberdeau is a 50 pt guy, Mangi is a 15 goal guy, etc...?

If someone had the best statistical year of their career in 2021-22 and then had the worst statistical year of their career in 2022-23 are we going with "they will always be closer to the worst than the best"?

I'm just saying, yes the trade value may be there now, and they may lose some trade value over time, but is a bounce back season not possible? Many posts note that if they had even average goaltending, or were close to average shooting percentage the Flames would have won a few more games and be in the show.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Bleeding Red

I have a silly question - Does nobody believe that any of the Flames will be better next year? Or is the consensus is that these guys are what they are - Markstrom is a less than average goalie, Huberdeau is a 50 pt guy, Mangi is a 15 goal guy, etc...?

If someone had the best statistical year of their career in 2021-22 and then had the worst statistical year of their career in 2022-23 are we going with "they will always be closer to the worst than the best"?

I'm just saying, yes the trade value may be there now, and they may lose some trade value over time, but is a bounce back season not possible? Many posts note that if they had even average goaltending, or were close to average shooting percentage the Flames would have won a few more games and be in the show.

Not silly. It's pretty much the whole debate in the GM's office right now I bet.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Bingo

The second we hit 1pm and the Flames still have their prospects and picks I'll be cheering like hell for a crazy finish.

Couldn't agree more! Tinker in the offseason if no offers blown your socks off and hope 7 shutout (or whatever he had last season) Markstrom is back.

[genetic_phreek]

Can't speak for anyone else but as a Flames fan, this season has to be one of the biggest failures of all time with the organization. Superstars leave, new stars arrive only to underachieve, coach and GM aren't on the same page, whole team is underperforming, no clarity on the future.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by DomeFoam

Throwing millions upon millions of dollars at players that have never worn the jersey or played in the system is not caring about winning. Its lazy and a bandaid for what is necessary to building a sustainable winner.

This means you do not agree with their methodology, not that you do not agree with the basic premise.

I mean this sincerely, but have you ever spoken to any of them, or watched a game with any of them? Trust me. They care.

(And if you were going to ask: Yes, I have. Not meant as any sort of flex, just a fact.)

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Sell someone last minute and add picks so we can bring up more kids

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Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

Can't speak for anyone else but as a Flames fan, this season has to be one of the biggest failures of all time with the organization. Superstars leave, new stars arrive only to underachieve, coach and GM aren't on the same page, whole team is underperforming, no clarity on the future.

Yeah that's a fairly good summary

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by 14Roman14

I get this take, however the wranglers are in a top position in the AHL.
Will these guys gain more from a late season call up or a long playoff run and hopefully a championship season finishing out down there?

Yea they would.
They can go back when NHL season is over and compete for the championship.

Thats the point

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

This means you do not agree with their methodology, not that you do not agree with the basic premise.

I mean this sincerely, but have you ever spoken to any of them, or watched a game with any of them? Trust me. They care.

(And if you were going to ask: Yes, I have. Not meant as any sort of flex, just a fact.)

Big sticking point with me is that they’ve shut out their season ticket holders since 2019.

There have been no “town halls” or anything. Pretty much zero communication other than the occasional “hey we have an extra pair of tickets in the lower bowl” once a season per account.

So while they may be talking to some people, the organization is not communicating to their season ticket holders or their fans in any meaningful way.

[bigrangy]

At the very least Duehr and Pelletier need to be papered back to the AHL today so they can play in the Wranglers playoffs.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

Can't speak for anyone else but as a Flames fan, this season has to be one of the biggest failures of all time with the organization. Superstars leave, new stars arrive only to underachieve, coach and GM aren't on the same page, whole team is underperforming, no clarity on the future.

Yup definitely. And atleast in previous ####ty years like when we missed playoffs during covid, the team was fairly young and not anchored with contracts.

We're one of the oldest teams in the league with multiple guys locked up to big contracts well into their 30s.

For me as a fan this is the worst case scenario unfolding.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Bingo

The second we hit 1pm and the Flames still have their prospects and picks I'll be cheering like hell for a crazy finish.

I'm going the other way at this point.

Teams that have success tend to lean into unexpected bad seasons. This org's problem is we always try to "salvage" bad seasons just to get into the playoffs.

Shut down guys with any injuries, bring up some young guys, and try to lean into a top 10 pick.

Even if you're not selling that's likely your best way to get a piece that could help in the near future. Especially in this draft. Look at how Perfetti is already helping the Jets, Lundell in Florida, or Jarvis with Carolina. Beating the Jets in the bubble was fun...but in hindsight would have been better if we didn't and got the top 12 pick instead.

Even if they decide to re-sign Lindholm, Hanifin etc. They only way this team can win is if guys like Pelletier, Zary, Wolf, Coronato, and their top 15 pick this year can be impact guys in the next 2-3 seasons.

But at the same time if they go on a crazy 16-6 run and get into the playoffs I'm not going to be mad...that would be some crazy momentum to get us into the playoffs.

[agulati]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Big sticking point with me is that they’ve shut out their season ticket holders since 2019.

There have been no “town halls” or anything. Pretty much zero communication other than the occasional “hey we have an extra pair of tickets in the lower bowl” once a season per account.

So while they may be talking to some people, the organization is not communicating to their season ticket holders or their fans in any meaningful way.

Agreed. The previous excuse and reasoning was Covid, which was understandable. Absolutely no reason for them to not organize anything during this year. I had even reached out to my ticket rep beginning of this season and the answer was that they were working on something, which turned out to be nothing.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

This means you do not agree with their methodology, not that you do not agree with the basic premise.

I mean this sincerely, but have you ever spoken to any of them, or watched a game with any of them? Trust me. They care.

(And if you were going to ask: Yes, I have. Not meant as any sort of flex, just a fact.)

My sense (without any personal interaction) is that guys like Huberdeau and Coleman seem to care about the team and winning every much as Tkachuk or Gaudreau.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

Can't speak for anyone else but as a Flames fan, this season has to be one of the biggest failures of all time with the organization. Superstars leave, new stars arrive only to underachieve, coach and GM aren't on the same page, whole team is underperforming, no clarity on the future.

Actually you speak for everyone.