Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by Wormius

What would the consultation with the province be for?

Would be handy for a province to know that cocaine is being sold within it, legally.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I'll just go on record and say I think that overall this is the way to go if we're going to get to true safe supply, but Health Canada should have definitely consulted the province ahead of time.

100%.

I’m convinced that legalization & regulation of street drugs would save thousands of Canadian lives every year.

The tax revenue wouldn’t be such a bad thing for the country either.

[The Fonz]

The Trudeau/Liberals/China thing feels like it should be bigger news. When it was determined there was Russian meddling in the US Election, it was non-stop coverage for what seemed like years. Now we’ve got confirmed Chinese meddling in a Canadian election and it’s… meh? “Sorry about that, eh. We’ll just give the money back that you found. Sorry”.

It should massive news, but instead it’s just so Canadianly boring.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Would be handy for a province to know that cocaine is being sold within it, legally.

Since BC had initially requested that possession be decriminalized, they must be largely okay with it to an extent.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

The Trudeau/Liberals/China thing feels like it should be bigger news. When it was determined there was Russian meddling in the US Election, it was non-stop coverage for what seemed like years. Now we’ve got confirmed Chinese meddling in a Canadian election and it’s… meh? “Sorry about that, eh. We’ll just give the money back that you found. Sorry”.

It should massive news, but instead it’s just so Canadianly boring.

We'll see what happens.

There are a few roads ahead for this one.

Justin decides to allow the Public Inquiry should go ahead. Now that its extremely broad view thanks to the NDP it'll be easy to distract from the Chinese interference or let it get lost in the backwash.

Trudeau could just deny the public inquiry, and hope Canadians have a short attention span.

He could in theory prorogue parliament, go to the budget and trigger a non confidence vote and take this issue directly to the voter.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

We'll see what happens.

There are a few roads ahead for this one.

Justin decides to allow the Public Inquiry should go ahead. Now that its extremely broad view thanks to the NDP it'll be easy to distract from the Chinese interference or let it get lost in the backwash.

Trudeau could just deny the public inquiry, and hope Canadians have a short attention span.

He could in theory prorogue parliament, go to the budget and trigger a non confidence vote and take this issue directly to the voter.

The most likely road IMO is he’ll do what he always does when backed into a corner; hurl bigotry verdicts at those who aren’t on his side. It’s a tried and true method in terms of generating backing, so why wouldn’t he.

[Northendzone]

I wonder what the Canadian electorate would think if he wound up triggering an election in the near term given we are looking at the involvement of a foreign country in our most rent elections.

Would seem to drive a lot of questions and mistrust in the results

[dammage79]

So what's our voting options now? Chinese government bought and paid for Libs and Nazi Conservatives? With a smattering of hippy green or labor party orange?

Gotta say for someone who's always hated politics and governance, I'm genuinely frightened by the things happening right now.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

The Trudeau/Liberals/China thing feels like it should be bigger news. When it was determined there was Russian meddling in the US Election, it was non-stop coverage for what seemed like years. Now we’ve got confirmed Chinese meddling in a Canadian election and it’s… meh? “Sorry about that, eh. We’ll just give the money back that you found. Sorry”.

It should massive news, but instead it’s just so Canadianly boring.

I think it's just a reflection of how gross most Canadians find the CPC at this point. People hate the Liberals, but they'll take the devil they know over the proto-fascists they don't.

[Weitz]

It doesn’t really matter who’s in power it always pays to make a lot of money.

[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I think it's just a reflection of how gross most Canadians find the CPC at this point. People hate the Liberals, but they'll take the devil they know over the proto-fascists they don't.

I agree given this Liberal government the Cons should be way farther ahead. That said plenty of time for the dam to break, and the Liberals have long past their luster.

Maybe if JT steps aside but looks like he has no desire to.

Either way Cons would likely win today

https://abacusdata.ca/canadian-polit...february-2023/

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

I agree given this Liberal government the Cons should be way farther ahead. That said plenty of time for the dam to break, and the Liberals have long past their luster.



Maybe if JT steps aside but looks like he has no desire to.



Either way Cons would likely win today



https://abacusdata.ca/canadian-polit...february-2023/

But this has been the story the last 2 elections. The CPC polls ahead until the election is called, then people see an uninspired, reactionary platform, and a party that still has too many bigots to be a viable government, and they flock back to the Liberals.

Might not happen this time, but I'm not gonna buy into the polls at this point.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by rubecube

But this has been the story the last 2 elections. The CPC polls ahead until the election is called, then people see an uninspired, reactionary platform, and a party that still has too many bigots to be a viable government, and they flock back to the Liberals.

Might not happen this time, but I'm not gonna buy into the polls at this point.

Well, the polls don't account for the distortion of FPTP, and that's really what happens. And the CPC has won popular vote for the past two elections, haven't they? (I didn't look this up).

It basically comes down to vote efficiency. You get 99% of the vote in say Cardston, and it's one seat. The polls are just plain deceptive in that regard.

[Azure]

This is wild. Information is publicly available.
You know you've sold your soul to the CCP devil when you recieve these kinds of donations and you don't flag it. Anyone with half a brain knows this is OBVIOUS outside interference.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1631469102614102016

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Slava

Well, the polls don't account for the distortion of FPTP, and that's really what happens. And the CPC has won popular vote for the past two elections, haven't they? (I didn't look this up).

It basically comes down to vote efficiency. You get 99% of the vote in say Cardston, and it's one seat. The polls are just plain deceptive in that regard.

Barring a situation where say the Liberals are completely in the tank, the polls aren't overly useful in predicting the results of an election. Not to mention a lot of pollers change their tune and end up voting strategically when it comes time to fill the ballot.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by Azure

This is wild. Information is publicly available.
You know you've sold your soul to the CCP devil when you recieve these kinds of donations and you don't flag it. Anyone with half a brain knows this is OBVIOUS outside interference.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1631469102614102016

Maybe she's right, or maybe she just labeled a bunch of Canadians listed by their names as people engaged in corrupt practices on the basis of their ethnicity.

Fair enough to want donations looked into, but leave determinations up to an investigative authority. Who wants a witch hunt with randos going through donor lists all over the country and labeling anyone with a Chinese name as part of a scheme to corrupt elections, because that's what jumping the gun on assertions like that on social media encourages.

Leave determinations like that up to the authorities.

Irresponsible tweet by an elected official imo.

[Looch City]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

Maybe she's right, or maybe she just labeled a bunch of Canadians listed by their names as people engaged in corrupt practices on the basis of their ethnicity.

Fair enough to want donations looked into, but leave determinations up to an investigative authority. Who wants a witch hunt with randos going through donor lists all over the country and labeling anyone with a Chinese name as part of a scheme to corrupt elections, because that's what jumping the gun on assertions like that on social media encourages.

Leave determinations like that up to the authorities.

Irresponsible tweet by an elected official imo.

So I opened the article and here's the quote:

The case dates back to July 6 and 7, 2016 when about fifty donors domiciled in British Columbia and Ontario, and all bearing a Chinese-sounding name, each paid between $1382.41 and $1500 – the maximum allowed by law – to the riding of Papineau, for a total of $67,080.

LOL such deep investigative work. They've got the whole case figured out!

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

I see where you're coming from but when it's literally 80% of donations for the year coming in two days from people outside the province... surely that can't be a coincidence.

[CaptainCrunch]

I would think that in any public inquiry something like this should be looked at, as it is strange. But then again I'd like to see comparisons to other major players in other ridings from all parties.

I don't know enough about campaign funding traffic to say if this would be anything.

[Jiggy]

At the end of the day a high majority of politicians are out for themselves and corrupt. Libs/Cons/NDP all suck. It's like choosing between Telus/Bell/Rogers, you're going to lose either way.