2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by CrazyCaper

Looking at the trade market for the last two weeks, I feel that Tre missed the window. Most of the teams who were looking for what we have to offer have mad their moves and we're left on the side of the dance floor without a partner. I think we're all going to be severely disappointed when the deadline comes and goes and nothing has changed.

Carolina, Vegas , Colorado. I feel those are the teams that might still be open for a large move.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by CrazyCaper

Looking at the trade market for the last two weeks, I feel that Tre missed the window. Most of the teams who were looking for what we have to offer have mad their moves and we're left on the side of the dance floor without a partner. I think we're all going to be severely disappointed when the deadline comes and goes and nothing has changed.

I don't think they were ever going to sell. They are going to run it back next year betting on Markstom rebounding, which is reasonable.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Unpopular opinion but I think you can find another Lindholm in free agency / trade route in a few years if need be.

The Flames crafted their #1 centre out of a RW. He doesn't necessarily make his teammates better. You can afford to roll the dice on moving him at this point.

That’s been the Flames plan forever.

[iggyloob12]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Unpopular opinion but I think you can find another Lindholm in free agency / trade route in a few years if need be.

The Flames crafted their #1 centre out of a RW. He doesn't necessarily make his teammates better. You can afford to roll the dice on moving him at this point.

"Doesn't make his teammates better," lol, OK. If you ignore his defensive role and overlook the fact that Dube and Toffoli are having career years, sure. I mean, I get that his production isn't the same as last year, but he's also not playing with first-line talent this year.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

I know it’s not easy to find centers like Lindholm. He’s the best center we’ve had since Nieuwendyk. But do we realistically want more guys locked up into their late 30’s? I just don’t think it’s worth the risk. Maybe I’m wrong and he’s like Pavelski and he’s a stud until he’s 40. But I just think it’s better for the Flames to get younger in the long run

I wonder if Boston fans talk about Bergeron or Kreicji this way?

The only way the Flames should consider trading Lindholm is if he has told them he’s not committed to signing an extension and y he at conversation probably doesn’t start until the offseason. Lindholm is the best C this team has had in decades. If he’s not the best C they have had in that window, he’s certainly in the conversation. It will be easier to find wingers for him to play with than it will be to replace him with wingers and then try to find a new 1C.

People taking about trading Lindholm to Carolina for a first should realize that picks is going to be, what, 25-32? Other pieces would obviously be involved but it’s safe to say the Flames likely take a sizeable step backwards and I don’t think the organization is going to do that.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Bonded

That’s been the Flames plan forever.

Oh I know. Thats why I don't expect anything different, so hopefully they at least try and make the best of it.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Carolina, Vegas , Colorado. I feel those are the teams that might still be open for a large move.

I would add Dallas and Winnipeg.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by iggyloob12

"Doesn't make his teammates better," lol, OK. If you ignore his defensive role and overlook the fact that Dube and Toffoli are having career years, sure. I mean, I get that his production isn't the same as last year, but he's also not playing with first-line talent this year.

I mean, if you're going to quote me at least include the entire quote and not edit it. lol

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by CrazyCaper

Looking at the trade market for the last two weeks, I feel that Tre missed the window. Most of the teams who were looking for what we have to offer have mad their moves and we're left on the side of the dance floor without a partner. I think we're all going to be severely disappointed when the deadline comes and goes and nothing has changed.

Making trades now is really just important for our entertainment, really, so any severe disappointment is self inflicted. Nobody is value is expiring this summer, so there is the draft, off-season, and next trade deadline to make moves, all of which may actually score us more value than doing deals today or tomorrow.

The only reason we might come out well is if some team gets desperate seeing how many other teams have made moves. But I don’t see that happen too often.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Toonage

I mean, if you're going to quote me at least include the entire quote and not edit it. lol

It was a brutal take regardless of how it’s edited.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Toonage

I mean, if you're going to quote me at least include the entire quote and not edit it. lol

Yeah, the crafting a C out of a RW was funny too

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

It was a brutal take regardless of how it’s edited.

I said it'd be unpopular.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Unpopular opinion but I think you can find another Lindholm in free agency / trade route in a few years if need be.

The Flames crafted their #1 centre out of a RW. He doesn't necessarily make his teammates better. You can afford to roll the dice on moving him at this point.

He's always been a center he was just misused, mostly by one particular coach.

The Flames took a center who wasn't being used as a center and didn't use him as a center. A huge part of the reason he was frustrated in Carolina was because he was used as a RW and not C. He came to Calgary, to play for the same coach who refused to put him at C and he played RW. He did great on the 1st line with Gaudreau and Monahan because he's good at the hockey but he really excelled once he was finally given his chance at center by Darryl Sutter. He took that chance and proved his old coaches wrong.

He was drafted as a center, played his rookie year as a C under coach Kirk Muller, then Bill Peters came in and decided Elias was a RW. He stuck four years as a RW under Peters and then he was traded to Calgary where, oh look, Peters was the new Flames coach and Elias was stuck on RW. Ward tried to give him small trials at C here and there but not long enough to gain traction. Sutter came in and gave him an extended chance and he's been at his natural position ever since.

[Bonded]

Lindholm can be the new Backlund. I hated his extension when it was signed

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I’m mentally preparing to relive that pain



I think with Lindholm you do. Even if he never hits quite the level Bergeron hits, I can see him keeping up his quality of play or getting even better over the next 10 years.

I get the sentiment in wanting to trade him, though. He (should) bring a haul. But I think it’s outright wrong to call him a #2 on a contending team. Having him as the #1 and Kadri as the #2 is similar to the top 6 centre depth of cup winners like St.Louis and Boston and even Washington. Obviously other pieces really brought those cups home, but there’s a path that doesn’t involve waiting for a Crosby to fall in our laps and it includes a guy like Lindholm.

I was likely off base when I said that . I’ve always seen Lindy as a 1B center more than a 1A center. But you are right that he’s in the same class as someone like a O'Reilly. Very good two way center but obviously a step below the Crosby’s, McDavid’s, Mackinnon’s, Matthews’, etc.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Making trades now is really just important for our entertainment, really, so any severe disappointment is self inflicted. Nobody is value is expiring this summer, so there is the draft, off-season, and next trade deadline to make moves, all of which may actually score us more value than doing deals today or tomorrow.

The only reason we might come out well is if some team gets desperate seeing how many other teams have made moves. But I don’t see that happen too often.

The only thing I would say here is if the Flames do stand pat, although they have time, it does leave a lot for them to do moving forward.

IMO, realistic expectations should be moving out one of the 2024 UFA’s, likely Zadorov unless they get a great offer for any of the others excluding Lindholm, and looking to move Lucic, Lewis, Ritchie.

I know it will annoy most to no end but I don’t think the Flames are prepared to throw the towel in on this season as hard as that may be to wrap your head around.

[iggyloob12]

Originally Posted by Toonage

I mean, if you're going to quote me at least include the entire quote and not edit it. lol

Sorry, I forgot "necessarily" in the part of your point I disagree with. Big difference.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Unpopular opinion but I think you can find another Lindholm in free agency / trade route in a few years if need be.

The Flames crafted their #1 centre out of a RW. He doesn't necessarily make his teammates better. You can afford to roll the dice on moving him at this point.

Lindholm’s rarely make it FA or are available for trades

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

You sound exactly like you did in the Canadian bubble.

“No elite talent, this team needs to rebuild, not a playoff team”

The next year they have the top line in hockey and get 111pts and win the division and a round. This year the team is literally where they are because our goalie who just had a kid has been off all season and the new superstar we acquired is having a tough time adjusting to a completely new market/conference/country to play in. If we had average goaltending this team is in 1st place in the pacific.

No where near as bad as you portray

Then the top talent that drove last years season left the team, and an aging goalie had a career season that looks to be an outlier (just as this season also looks to be an outlier).

Where’s our Gaudreau and Tkachuk?

Yeah, if we had a #1 centre when we had Jarome then we would have been #1 in the NW Division a lot too…the whole idea of “chasing that one piece” that we don’t have is a fools errand. You can’t just manifest that one missing piece - I mean that’s what Markstrom was actually supposed to be. Marky was supposed to be the stabilizing goalie that we’d not had since Kipper left and it hasn’t worked out through 3 seasons (1 average year, 1 great year, 1 atrocious year). Even if we had league average goaltending, what do you think happens come playoff time against Colorado? Or any of these power house teams in the East.

I do sound like I did after the Canadian bubble - because the situation hasn’t improved, it has worsened.

[gvitaly]

I actually think that Dube can take another step if one of Backlund/Lindholm is moved and he is relied on to drive his own line. If not Dube then Zary and Ruzicka have the potential to be skilled centers.