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Old 02-28-2023, 04:20 PM   #621
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When did Wormius get elected to city council? That's the only explanation I have for such an unbelievably tone-deaf response.
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Old 02-28-2023, 04:26 PM   #622
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Some Ctrain news across a 2 week span above and beyond the now "normal" levels of drugs, assaults and crime.


https://calgaryherald.com/news/crime...ctrain-assault

The violence escalated, investigators said, with suspects brandishing a pipe and a knife as citizens attempted to leave the area. In security camera footage released by police, one man can be seen repeatedly striking another with a pipe.

Soon after, one of the men returned to the upper level of the station with a flare gun and fired it twice, briefly lighting one of the other suspect’s jackets on fire.








https://calgaryherald.com/news/crime...ain-hate-crime

When the two men, feeling uncomfortable, left their seats and stood outside to wait for their train, the unknown men approached them again, escalating to a verbal altercation and a physical assault on one of the men, according to police.

The Calgary Police Service hate crime and extremism unit took over the investigation after receiving details from the victim.



https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/calgary-w...tion-1.6144548

Calgary woman charged in hatchet attack at CTrain station

Calgary police have arrested a young woman in connection to a disturbing assault at a northeast CTrain station that left the victim with serious head injuries.

Police responded to the Marlborough CTrain Station on 36th Street N.E. just before 7 p.m. on Monday for reports of an assault.

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Old 02-28-2023, 04:34 PM   #623
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^^^^Why even investigate? They’re not gonna get any meaningful prison time or rehabilitation if they’re caught. If anything they’ll be released immediately on the grounds of cultural trauma or whatever it’s called. Seems kinda pointless. It’s abundantly clear neither council or CPS take public transit safety seriously. And why would they?
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Old 02-28-2023, 04:38 PM   #624
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^^^^Why even investigate? They’re not gonna get any meaningful prison time or rehabilitation if they’re caught. If anything they’ll be released immediately on the grounds of cultural trauma or whatever it’s called. Seems kinda pointless. It’s abundantly clear neither council or CPS take public transit safety seriously. And why would they?
'Cause it's their job?
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^^^^Why even investigate? They’re not gonna get any meaningful prison time or rehabilitation if they’re caught. If anything they’ll be released immediately on the grounds of cultural trauma or whatever it’s called. Seems kinda pointless. It’s abundantly clear neither council or CPS take public transit safety seriously. And why would they?
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Old 02-28-2023, 04:52 PM   #626
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Every safe injection site safe supply store is a chance at an intervention. It more than doubles the coverage to correct behaviors. Without these infostructures there are only limited and underfunded NGOs and an Already overworked police force. Safe injection et all is not in opposition to law and order it is another venue to monitor and intervene.

I am actually not against safe injection sites and I think they do have a role to play in some aspect. I am one of the rare people who take a very strong anti drug stance and see that there is some logic and positive aspect that can come from them but I am a firm believer on limits.

Safe injection sites are really good preventing deaths but what happens before and after? It can't just be we prevented an overdose death and provided a brochure on addiction support but all aspects of the downsides of addiction and the decline of the area are then ignored.

There's lot's of praise about saving an overdose death but a little bit too much "ahh, shucks, too bad" for murder, assault, life changing, life altering victims of crimes as a result of someone's else's problem.

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Unless you make 100k a year, own a car, and live in the suburbs you're less than human and a failure at life; completely undeserving of basic safety, dignity, and respect.
This guy gets it.
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Old 02-28-2023, 05:12 PM   #628
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This story is a prime example of what some people who take a much more "lenient" approach to this problem never understand. These people who have serious addiction, mental health and other issues are also scary, threatening and a serious annoyance on regular people going about their lives. No doubt about it that the driver of the bus and a lot of passengers as well were also quite scared by the situation.

The people who are always demanding safe supply, safe injection sites, decriminalization etc never have an answer for how we reduce social disorder. How do we reduce that fear, annoyance and general decline of the area and of society in this regard?

For a lot of people, people who usually are not directly affected by these situations, it's always the same talking points Living in suburban homes, on quite, safe streets and nitpicking 30 km/h speed limit's to keep the area safe but are completely ok with the worst of the worst enacting carnage on the downtown streets and for residents, visitors and business owners to literally and figuratively deal with the sh**.
While I see what you’re saying, I don’t think it’s particularly fair, and I don’t think it’s helpful to maintain the ideological “either/or” of having to choose between safe supply/injection/decriminalization and more serious enforcement of dangerous or violent crimes.

I’ve said before, but the fact that people see this as a one side vs the other issue is what perpetuates the problem. The reality is that people who want the things you mentioned do have answers, but like anything that will actually fix this problem, they are expensive and resource-intensive answers, and if there’s one thing people hate more than drug addicts and homeless people, it’s significantly higher taxes.
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Some Ctrain news across a 2 week span above and beyond the now "normal" levels of drugs, assaults and crime.


https://calgaryherald.com/news/crime...ctrain-assault

The violence escalated, investigators said, with suspects brandishing a pipe and a knife as citizens attempted to leave the area. In security camera footage released by police, one man can be seen repeatedly striking another with a pipe.

Soon after, one of the men returned to the upper level of the station with a flare gun and fired it twice, briefly lighting one of the other suspect’s jackets on fire.








https://calgaryherald.com/news/crime...ain-hate-crime

When the two men, feeling uncomfortable, left their seats and stood outside to wait for their train, the unknown men approached them again, escalating to a verbal altercation and a physical assault on one of the men, according to police.

The Calgary Police Service hate crime and extremism unit took over the investigation after receiving details from the victim.



https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/calgary-w...tion-1.6144548

Calgary woman charged in hatchet attack at CTrain station

Calgary police have arrested a young woman in connection to a disturbing assault at a northeast CTrain station that left the victim with serious head injuries.

Police responded to the Marlborough CTrain Station on 36th Street N.E. just before 7 p.m. on Monday for reports of an assault.
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'Cause it's their job?

Although everybody agrees it's their job, what I think the general public doesn't understand is just how far the entire system is flat out broken.

I mean like completely across the entire system broken and it's getting worse. Almost nothing is functioning properly.

It's almost as if everything in our system went smoothly, a huge portion of people would be out of a job as the system sucks less resources.

My brother is a long term, higher ranking member on transit safety in AB. The stories are literally insane and you just see the revolving door of s*** and how NOTHING improves. A very common scenario plays out like this.

Trouble maker #1 commits a very serious assault on transit property, is arrested and processed at facility. Rap sheet all the way to the moon but we will add another one to the list. Get's into another assault at arrest processing center, sends another trouble maker to hospital who is taking up resources at the hospital, probably delaying a law obeying citizens care in the process.

Troublemaker #1 than has a short stay in jail for a day or two, has court date, where the same judge will release him AGAIN with a long list of conditions he won't follow.

Will than go back onto transit property, get asked for fare payment, won't have any, protest, swear, attack transit officers or police, who than take forceful action which may result in injuries and a trip to hospital, delaying and clogging up crumbling health system followed by arrest processing center for another day or two. Will than be re-released with more conditions he won't follow.

Will make his way back onto transit property or some back ally, commit some more crimes for money for more drugs or booze and than end up in ICU on life support while someone's grandfather is bumped from much needed, "semi urgent" heart surgery so that they can attend to his heart issue.

The irony is that members of our public service are literally seeing the same people every week. Cops, transit officers, EMS, jail guards, ER nurse, ER Doc, addiction councilor

I would love to somehow to have some of these "regular customers" be followed along the entire system and see how many of them are dealing with everybody I know along the entire way. Would be nuts.
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While I see what you’re saying, I don’t think it’s particularly fair, and I don’t think it’s helpful to maintain the ideological “either/or” of having to choose between safe supply/injection/decriminalization and more serious enforcement of dangerous or violent crimes.

I’ve said before, but the fact that people see this as a one side vs the other issue is what perpetuates the problem. The reality is that people who want the things you mentioned do have answers, but like anything that will actually fix this problem, they are expensive and resource-intensive answers, and if there’s one thing people hate more than drug addicts and homeless people, it’s significantly higher taxes.

I am a big believer in us taking an extreme approach across the board to solving this issue. Like extreme. It won't ever happen cause I don't think anybody wants to actually deal with the issue.

When I mean extreme, I mean extreme. We can have all the addiction help, injection sites, decriminalization of hard drugs, safe supply counseling etc. We can also have ruthless enforcement of the law, significant prison sentences and forced treatment as well. We can than ramp up investigations on drug dealers, corrupt boarder guards who allow large volume of drugs to enter the country and than start dealing with the people in power who allow this to continue at the expense of law obeying people.

I have said it before and I will say it again, this level of social disorder that we have allowed to occur is not that normal in a lot of countries. Everywhere has problems but our's are magnified and EXPENSIVE. Our goal should be to reduce and get as close as possible of eradicating drug and addiction related issues. It's a cancer and it's spreading to every aspect of our lives.
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I am a big believer in us taking an extreme approach across the board to solving this issue. Like extreme. It won't ever happen cause I don't think anybody wants to actually deal with the issue.



When I mean extreme, I mean extreme. We can have all the addiction help, injection sites, decriminalization of hard drugs, safe supply counseling etc. We can also have ruthless enforcement of the law, significant prison sentences and forced treatment as well. We can than ramp up investigations on drug dealers, corrupt boarder guards who allow large volume of drugs to enter the country and than start dealing with the people in power who allow this to continue at the expense of law obeying people.



I have said it before and I will say it again, this level of social disorder that we have allowed to occur is not that normal in a lot of countries. Everywhere has problems but our's are magnified and EXPENSIVE. Our goal should be to reduce and get as close as possible of eradicating drug and addiction related issues. It's a cancer and it's spreading to every aspect of our lives.
Absolutely none of this is grounded in reality
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a quick google shows less than 2000 people in Calgary are homeless, is all this trouble caused by only 2000 people?
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a quick google shows less than 2000 people in Calgary are homeless, is all this trouble caused by only 2000 people?
No it’s about 50 of them causing the trouble
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Edit: nvm, didn't get fully caught up on the conversation before replying.

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Somewhat tangential conversation, but I was talking about a related matter with some friends last weekend. I think that we are nearing a point in our societal breakdown where violence and other negative outcomes against these marginalized communities are deemed acceptable by greater society.

I see the makings of gulags in here.
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Once the green line is built into the SE, that should maximize the distribution of said crack and meth heads across the city, leaving North-Central unsullied by such hooligans and riff-raff.
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Once the green line is built into the SE, that should maximize the distribution of said crack and meth heads across the city, leaving North-Central unsullied by such hooligans and riff-raff.
Finally some sort of benefit from Sean Chu's incompetence as a councilor!
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Somewhat tangential conversation, but I was talking about a related matter with some friends last weekend. I think that we are nearing a point in our societal breakdown where violence and other negative outcomes against these marginalized communities are deemed acceptable by greater society.

I see the makings of gulags in here.
This is basically a slippery slope argument.

I think people are collectively frustrated, and would be happy with some kind of action. Enforcement of many existing laws around property crime, loitering, and drug use can be done without resorting to forming gulags.
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