American Politics 3.0 - Back to Brunch

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

or have a non physical sports olympics. Just have a games of chess, go, lawn bowling, archery, shooting and billiards

Don't forget curling. That's a fun activity, but it's hardly a sport if you don't break a sweat.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Don't forget curling. That's a fun activity, but it's hardly a sport if you don't break a sweat.

It's tough to break a sweat when it's -35°C INSIDE the playing arena!

Seriously though, while you might not break a sweat per say, curl for an evening, and you'll be sore for the rest of the week.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

It's tough to break a sweat when it's -35°C INSIDE the playing arena!

Seriously though, while you might not break a sweat per say, curl for an evening, and you'll be sore for the rest of the week.

Dude, after a crazy mogul run, biathlon, hockey, figure skating, etc., you're sweating. Your heart is pounding. You've been operating at the maximum degree a human can physically pull off.

You could literally drink a beer while you lean on your broom for 90% of a curling match. Skill? Of course. Sport? Come on. I mean, I'm sore after I plant some shrubs, or move a couch, or build a fence, so that's hardly the measure of whether or not it's a sport worthy of the Olympics.

I think curlers at the Olympics should have enough class to stay at a local Best Western and not in the Olympic Village with the other actual athletes. Play the game, but curlers are not athletes in the way that actual athletes are and we have to quit pretending otherwise.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Curling is in the same athletic sphere as bowling and darts

[MoneyGuy]

Such disrespect for curling. It doesn’t require the physical exertion of some other sports, but it requires a great deal of skill. I can’t imagine the skill required for a Martin, Einarson or Nedohin raise triple takeout. It requires different skills than, for example, moguls skiing or hockey but it’s a sport. They’re athletes.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Now I want to see competitive gardening as an olympic sport. Professional topiaries? Thoughts?

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

Such disrespect for curling. It doesn’t require the physical exertion of some other sports, but it requires a great deal of skill. I can’t imagine the skill required for a Martin, Einarson or Nedohin raise triple takeout. It requires different skills than, for example, moguls skiing or hockey but it’s a sport. They’re athletes.

Poker requires skill. Painting requires skill. Photography requires skill. Sewing requires skill. Brick laying requires skill. Operating a forklift requires skill. Cooking requires skill. I could go on and on. Skill doesn't make something a sport lol.

[Knut]

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[photon]

What's the difference between a sport and a competition?

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Cappy

My comment about "who cares" was mostly directed at that type of person. The person with some axe to grind against trans people. Obviously the father of an aspiring olympic athlete may have reason to care more than most; also as Cecil pointed out, its a discussion board so it makes sense to have an opinion.

Originally Posted by GGG

It’s a red herring designed to bring a non-hinking person into the anti-trans world. It’s so unimportant and rare.

Outside of the elite athlete it doesn’t matter as tiering puts people against similar competition.

Exactly what I was getting at. I trust Sliver's reason for worrying, but in my day to day there's too many instances of rube, middle aged white guys that are suddenly all over trans issues. Acting like they care about various issues that the trans community has an effect on.

The uncomfortableness and in some cases flat out hate towards the trans community shines through in their opinions and "concerns".

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

I think the risk of allowing trans into female sports is that

A. viewers will think it's unfair and not watch, unless all the athletes in the competition are trans.
B. girls will no longer enroll in sports with no chance to win.

Nobody watches female sports anyway, and I imagine less people would watch a sport that was all-trans, based on how many people seem to feel about things as simple as a drag queen reading a book.

As for the second, I doubt that’s a valid concern. Most children do not enroll in sports with the express purpose of winning, and at the age where most children enroll in sports to begin with it is already mixed girls and boys, so kind of stupid to say girls would be discouraged by trans-girls but not by boys.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

People do watch female tennis... it's going to be pretty interesting to see what the reaction is when a trans woman is good enough to bust the WTA top 30. I expect basically that meme with Donald Glover walking into a room on fire carrying pizzas.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by Knut

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I'm sorry are you imply that an in-depth discussion into the merits of curling being a sport is not appropriate for a threat on American Politics?

Well if curling doesn't have anything to do with US politics then I don't know what does!

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Poker requires skill. Painting requires skill. Photography requires skill. Sewing requires skill. Brick laying requires skill. Operating a forklift requires skill. Cooking requires skill. I could go on and on. Skill doesn't make something a sport lol.

I'm not out to defend it too much, but I think one thing you could look at to determine how sport-like curling is is to compare male vs female. Mens curling involves much harder shots, bigger takeouts and plays, where womens curling features more skilled shots because they don't have the power of the men. So by that attribute you could logically argue it is more than just skill, requiring strength. It's similar to golf in that way, but maybe golf isn't a sport either.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Golf isn't a sport either for me... my most controversial opinion on this point is that neither is baseball.

If the skill element of a particular competitive activity more central than the athletic elements, I say it's a game, not a sport.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Golf isn't a sport either for me... my most controversial opinion on this point is that neither is baseball.

If the skill element of a particular competitive activity more central than the athletic elements, I say it's a game, not a sport.

What about F1? If you are not in peak physical form, you can't actually operate the vehicle. Like, you or I couldn't go for a rip, it's just not possible. But skill is still the key.

[devo22]

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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...mplaint-disney

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

What about F1? If you are not in peak physical form, you can't actually operate the vehicle. Like, you or I couldn't go for a rip, it's just not possible. But skill is still the key.

I don't know a lot about the physical demands of F1, I guess, so I couldn't really comment other than to say that it doesn't seem like a sport to me when the equipment you use is doing most of the work. Kind of like the various equestrian disciplines.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I don't know a lot about the physical demands of F1, I guess, so I couldn't really comment other than to say that it doesn't seem like a sport to me when the equipment you use is doing most of the work. Kind of like the various equestrian disciplines.

Nah, nothing like equestrian at all. The horse could probably do the course without a rider.

during an F1 race, drivers' heart rates can increase to around 160-200bpm...
...The rest of the body needs strong muscles to be able to stand the G-Force too, but also to protect the body from damage. Such high G-Forces can easily break ribs and damage internal organs without a strong core and upper body muscles.

https://www.exercise.co.uk/learn/f1-...rsport-racers/

If your HR reaches 200bpm, you are doing a sport.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I don't know a lot about the physical demands of F1, I guess, so I couldn't really comment other than to say that it doesn't seem like a sport to me when the equipment you use is doing most of the work. Kind of like the various equestrian disciplines.

There's a reason why racing drivers in general are in more or less peak physical condition. Race cars are not easy or relaxing to drive. Everything from the stresses on the body that operating the car imposes (manual brakes, manual steering, stiff and unforgiving suspension) to the mental demands of racing itself require an elite level of physical endurance.