2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

If they are tanking I suppose you can afford one full year of retention after this one. It'd suck though.

I don't think we will tank enough to make it worth it. I guess you could take a bad contract back rather than retain.

[TheIronMaiden]

Don't tank or give up, just sell one guy, just one and think about the future.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

I don't think we will tank enough to make it worth it. I guess you could take a bad contract back rather than retain.

I doubt any extension talks have gone far enough that Treliving has a good sense on which guys will walk. I'd suspect Lindholm and Toffoli and maybe Hanifin over Backlund, Tanev or Zadorov. Partly because Backlund is a lifer, but also he and Tanev won't be cashing in like Lindholm or Hanifin. And Toffoli has travelled enough where he will just go wherever.

[savardandjokinen]

I think the best course of action for the flames right now is to do more listening than talking. If there’s a really good deal on the table for your 2024 UFAs you explore it, but there’s the off-season and next season to deal those. Given how the last 9 months have been, this season is kind of lost at this point and there’s not much you can do. I would however, get anything you can for your expiring UFAs. I don’t think you can move Lucic even at 50% retention, and I don’t think Stone plays anywhere else other than Calgary, but if you can get a mid round pick for Lewis and a late round pick for Ritchie, why not? Lewis can probably come back here in the off-season if you want him back and Duehr has proven he can replace Ritchie.

Dube-Lindholm-Toffoli
Pelletier-Kadri-Huberdeau
Mangiapane-Backlund-Coleman
Lucic-Ruzicka-Duehr

And now when an injruy happens, you can give opportunity to Phillips, Zary, Pettersen, etc. and the team isn’t any worse than it is right now

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

With the arms race in the east, I would think Carolina might be feeling a little bit of pressure to add.

I think they were rumored to be after Meier so yeah, probably looking for a winger.

[genetic_phreek]

Funny we mostly assume that selling would equal to sucking. Would be even funnier if Nashville continues to sell and jump ahead of us.

Most people assume if we did sell the Toffoli's, Lindholms, Hanifins, etc (2024 UFA) would mean that we would end up sucking but that's not always the case. This team is better on paper than they are on the ice, and sometimes teams that are worse on paper end up better on the ice. Still can happen when you still have decent players on the roster which in our case, we still do.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

Funny we mostly assume that selling would equal to sucking. Would be even funnier if Nashville continues to sell and jump ahead of us.

Most people assume if we did sell the Toffoli's, Lindholms, Hanifins, etc (2024 UFA) would mean that we would end up sucking but that's not always the case. This team is better on paper than they are on the ice, and sometimes teams that are worse on paper end up better on the ice. Still can happen when you still have decent players on the roster which in our case, we still do.

Reminds me of the 2014-2015 season where Gio was injured, they sold Glencross, and they still made the playoffs and got to the second round.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

Funny we mostly assume that selling would equal to sucking. Would be even funnier if Nashville continues to sell and jump ahead of us.

Most people assume if we did sell the Toffoli's, Lindholms, Hanifins, etc (2024 UFA) would mean that we would end up sucking but that's not always the case. This team is better on paper than they are on the ice, and sometimes teams that are worse on paper end up better on the ice. Still can happen when you still have decent players on the roster which in our case, we still do.

The other thing is, it seems people assume that if you trade for picks you have to draft all of them. Teams are tossing picks away right now loading up, come draft day those picks become more valuable in trades.

Dach is an example of a good young player that was traded for a mid-first and 3rd (I think)

Sell Toffoli, call up Zary and see how he does. Also, you can explore selling some of the additional assets for cost controlled players in the summer or draft day.

Pelletier has already got the call and is making a positive impact. Zary won't immediately replace Toffoli but over time he can. Combine that with the team being one that is under performing we could be better next year anyways but have more assets and cap space.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

Funny we mostly assume that selling would equal to sucking. Would be even funnier if Nashville continues to sell and jump ahead of us.

Most people assume if we did sell the Toffoli's, Lindholms, Hanifins, etc (2024 UFA) would mean that we would end up sucking but that's not always the case. This team is better on paper than they are on the ice, and sometimes teams that are worse on paper end up better on the ice. Still can happen when you still have decent players on the roster which in our case, we still do.

Selling a few high profile guys + bringing up Wolf/Zary/Poirier + cap dumps looking to secure jobs next year + Coronato addition could absolutely still result in playoffs.

[Flames1217]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

The other thing is, it seems people assume that if you trade for picks you have to draft all of them. Teams are tossing picks away right now loading up, come draft day those picks become more valuable in trades.

Dach is an example of a good young player that was traded for a mid-first and 3rd (I think)

Sell Toffoli, call up Zary and see how he does. Also, you can explore selling some of the additional assets for cost controlled players in the summer or draft day.

Pelletier has already got the call and is making a positive impact. Zary won't immediately replace Toffoli but over time he can. Combine that with the team being one that is under performing we could be better next year anyways but have more assets and cap space.

Trading Toffoli opens an even bigger hole on our RW though.

If I was trading him I would hope to get back a young right winger in the deal.

Our right wing depth is already atrocious, can you imagine if you didn't bring one back in the deal.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Flames1217

Trading Toffoli opens an even bigger hole on our RW though.

If I was trading him I would hope to get back a young right winger in the deal.

Our right wing depth is already atrocious, can you imagine if you didn't bring one back in the deal.

But why do we need to do it right now if the season is going to be a lost one?

Dach is a righty, he was just 1 example of a guy that was available at the draft who is 9 years younger than Toffoli. signed for 3 additional years at almost $1 mil less per year.

If teams are tossing away picks now but not their top prospects or roster players, you take the picks now while they are cheap.

[Ashes]

Originally Posted by Flames1217

Trading Toffoli opens an even bigger hole on our RW though.

If I was trading him I would hope to get back a young right winger in the deal.

Our right wing depth is already atrocious, can you imagine if you didn't bring one back in the deal.

Maybe this is an unpopular opinion but I think as long as the Flames have a strong indication from Coronato's camp that he's going to sign with the Flames and join the team as early as late this season or next season, you still go ahead and trade Toffoli for a 1st + . This draft is very forward heavy, I think you plan on taking a RW with one of the Flames first round picks in 23', I'd rather take that risk and cash in on Toffoli's strong season this year when almost everyone else has been underperforming.

Or to your point, if you can get a young RW prospect in the trade then even better, I guess I'm just really hyped about this draft.

Don't get me wrong I've really liked Toffoli this season and he's exactly what this team has needed (RW Sniper) but he's not what I would consider a core piece moving forward with his contract status and age. With all that being said I'm sure he stays for the inevitable push to make the playoffs down the stretch. He's one of Daryl's guys after all!

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Torture

Would hate to see some of those guys go but if you can get a massive haul for any of them you pull the trigger. Go for an on-the-fly re-tool if we're trying to compete next year.

If you think you're going to compete next year, you definitely do not sell those guys. Any picks you're getting won't help the team for a few years

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Flames1217

Trading Toffoli opens an even bigger hole on our RW though.

If I was trading him I would hope to get back a young right winger in the deal.

Our right wing depth is already atrocious, can you imagine if you didn't bring one back in the deal.

Yeah, if Treliving is trading any of his pending UFAs I doubt it'll be for just draft picks and prospects. It's going to be to mix things up.

Treliving has said he thinks it's a good team that's underperformed and I agree. As much as some people want him to blow it up it's not happening. Too much was invested long term this summer to just give up after one bad season.

[Enoch Root]

I get the sentiment to sell, but I think it's premature. There will be a lot more certainty next year with this team - maybe this year was an aberration, maybe the team sucks, but we'll know a lot more next year. Plus all those guys will then be pending UFAs, so they'll be easy to move.

Sit tight this year - move Lewis and Ritchie if there's a market - and see where we're at next year.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Inferno

Yeah, if Treliving is trading any of his pending UFAs I doubt it'll be for just draft picks and prospects. It's going to be to mix things up.

Treliving has said he thinks it's a good team that's underperformed and I agree. As much as some people want him to blow it up it's not happening. Too much was invested long term this summer to just give up after one bad season.

There is looking like a ton of teams that are loading up right now that come summer will be very short of draft picks and very short of cap space.

Players will be available for cheaper than they are worth. Younger players than Toffoli.

If we target some RFA's, we can replace guys we move out.

Picks are what is being tossed around like they are worthless right now so don't be picky, take them.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

Incorrect.
It is supposed to be reserved for KCs.
People using it otherwise use it incorrectly according to proper custom.
It was originally used to distinguish Barristers from Solicitors, but as here lawyers are all technically both, it is supposed to be reserved for KCs.

"Supposed" to be? "Proper" custom?

The term is used all the time in Alberta, KC or not.

Either way, I think this came up as a shot at GioforPM, which is totally inappropriate.

[traptor]

The team needs to get younger, wether that's this year or next year.

Flames can't re-sign all of backlund, tanev, toffoli, lindholm, zadorov and hanifin without seriously ####ing up their cap structure. Even if you're competing you need to pick half of these players to go forward with and half to move on from. Might as well decide now and see if you can get good value.

[Knut]

Originally Posted by traptor

The team needs to get younger, wether that's this year or next year.

Flames can't re-sign all of backlund, tanev, toffoli, lindholm, zadorov and hanifin without seriously ####ing up their cap structure. Even if you're competing you need to pick half of these players to go forward with and half to move on from. Might as well decide now and see if you can get good value.

Sell backlund, hanifin and Zadorov IMO.

[Naitix]

The worst part is that this team is underperforming the year we have no pending UFAs worth selling and I am certain they will be a playoff team next year. Next year is also the year where we have plenty of pending UFAs that would get us so many assets if we traded them but if we are in the playoffs, we won't be trading them. Then some of them will walk in the offseason