Let’s talk about Milan Lucic

[Southside403]

Originally Posted by Sandman

THAT is why we love LOOCH!!!! Sparks the boys!

That Kurt's McDonald's was talked about how he was the toughest in the league by Cassie Campbell. Looch is the toughest sob out p4p undisputed warrior

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Neal was a bad signing indeed. Which just about every commentator said was the best signing that summer.

Unfortunately they committed too much for Neal before seeing what they had. Neal himself admitted he came to camp out of shape giving the impression he would be better the next season. Flames scouting missed the boat on Brouwer and Neal. Both these players really set the franchise back. I honestly believe Treliving thought they were nice guys and they probably gave him the impression they could give a lot more. Both appeared to be winding down much like we see with Lucic. Brouwer likely was the wrong player for Bennett. That whole time line including coaching was messed up.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

It will always be perplexing to me that Treliving refused to pay anything more than "market value" for guys like Gaudreau and Tkachuk which resulted in them signing contracts for less than the 8 year term limit, but on the other hand was perfectly fine carrying Lucic's dead cap hit of $5 million for years.

I still believe just buying out Neal would have served the Flames needs better in the short term and the long run.

He wasn’t fine carrying Lucic for years, it was the best solution to a bad situation.

The huge cash savings he received in that deal allowed him to spend to the cap, which would otherwise not have been possible.

[McG]

I don’t think that flames should use the cap or roster spot on a new Lucic contract.

It’s time for the flames to move on.

In fact, I’d trade him and retain 50% to get something for him.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by McG

I don’t think that flames should use the cap or roster spot on a new Lucic contract.

It’s time for the flames to move on.

In fact, I’d trade him and retain 50% to get something for him.

I have my doubts that you could get anything for lucic even with 50 % retained. Some of the trades that have gone down have 3rd parties involved to get the cap hit down. Lucic still has a high cap hit and getting a 3rd party involved would cost more than his actual trade value.

[mennoknight]

Do you guys think GMs text each other and respond with stuff like "LOL YA RITE"

because that's what I imagine happening if Lucic is offered up anywhere.

[Erick Estrada]

I pine for the day where we no longer talk about Milan Lucic.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

Unfortunately they committed too much for Neal before seeing what they had. Neal himself admitted he came to camp out of shape giving the impression he would be better the next season. Flames scouting missed the boat on Brouwer and Neal. Both these players really set the franchise back. I honestly believe Treliving thought they were nice guys and they probably gave him the impression they could give a lot more. Both appeared to be winding down much like we see with Lucic. Brouwer likely was the wrong player for Bennett. That whole time line including coaching was messed up.

I think with Neal, for some reason they looked at counting stats, and past team success with him. And Neal had very similar years with two different teams, so I don't know that he appeared to be winding down. He was a model of consistency, especially goal scoring. They never looked off ice at Neal. I heard things in hindsight which they maybe could have found out ahead of time.

Brouwer was an overpay for a good PO year. But it was an early mistake by a newbie GM.

[McG]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I have my doubts that you could get anything for lucic even with 50 % retained. Some of the trades that have gone down have 3rd parties involved to get the cap hit down. Lucic still has a high cap hit and getting a 3rd party involved would cost more than his actual trade value.

I’m not sure if anyone would offer anything either but it would help the flames and lucic.

I absolutely would not give up assets to move him, but would retain cap for the short period of time. I know that cap space is an asset…but if the flames are not going to the playoffs then it doesn’t matter this season.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by McG

I’m not sure if anyone would offer anything either but it would help the flames and lucic.

I absolutely would not give up assets to move him, but would retain cap for the short period of time. I know that cap space is an asset…but if the flames are not going to the playoffs then it doesn’t matter this season.

This is his last contract year. You can retain the max on him, without affecting anything for the future.

But he's not getting moved. And he likely vetos almost any trade anyway. It's too bad his last year (likely with any team) is ending so badly.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I pine for the day where we no longer talk about Milan Lucic.

Me too, but because he's locked up for another two years at league minimum and people stop focusing so much on him - as if he's somehow everything that's wrong with this team.

[You Need a Thneed]

My proposal for a Lucic trade that could work:l (brought up in other thread)

Flames:
-Retain 50%

3rd Party team:
-Retain additional 50%
-receive low draft pick

Recieving team:
-Lucic.

Why this works for all the teams:
-Calgary saves $125k in actual dollars.
-3rd party team buys a low draft pick for $62k.
-recieving team gets a depth vet for a $1.3 million cap hit and only $62k actual salary dollars.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

My proposal for a Lucic trade that could work:l (brought up in other thread)

Flames:
-Retain 50%

3rd Party team:
-Retain additional 50%
-receive low draft pick

Recieving team:
-Lucic.

Why this works for all the teams:
-Calgary saves $125k in actual dollars.
-3rd party team buys a low draft pick for $62k.
-recieving team gets a depth vet for a $1.3 million cap hit and only $62k actual salary dollars.

What teams does Lucic waive for? Boston for sure. And where does he fit in? The Avs? Nah. Bolts have shot their shot for the year I think. Toronto? Nah. Carolina? NJ? Do they want a tough guy?

[Jason14h]

Seems like a lot of work for the Flames to save $125k

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

What teams does Lucic waive for? Boston for sure. And where does he fit in? The Avs? Nah. Bolts have shot their shot for the year I think. Toronto? Nah. Carolina? NJ? Do they want a tough guy?

Lucic waives for a better chance at a good playoff run before he retires. Obviously only if he wants to. If he wants to, and a team wants him, this trade could potentially make sense for all parties.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Seems like a lot of work for the Flames to save $125k

If the flames wanted to buy, this would open cap space to do that as well.

[bdubbs]

Lucic is pretty done as a hockey player, and I don't like the idea of re-signing a guy just for his presence/face punching.

He doesn't even fight that often anymore either.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

Lucic waives for a better chance at a good playoff run before he retires. Obviously only if he wants to. If he wants to, and a team wants him, this trade could potentially make sense for all parties.

But why would any decent team want him in the lineup? He's terrible at hockey.

[McG]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

But why would any decent team want him in the lineup? He's terrible at hockey.

“The room”

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

Lucic waives for a better chance at a good playoff run before he retires. Obviously only if he wants to. If he wants to, and a team wants him, this trade could potentially make sense for all parties.

I see a flaw in your plan.