2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Major Major]

I do wonder what the point is to dealing these '24 expiration contracts now. Do we expect to get that much more value out of them? Are we retaining? It would be a pretty hard pivot into a rebuild if it happens. I know people are done with patience, and maybe that includes the team. But I think my preference is to see what this group can do this year and next before blowing it up.

[Toonage]

Cynically I feel the Flames think of the big picture as "same crew next season"

[Kasi]

Aaron is right though that the Flames only do the long term offer after the player has broken out. Which limits potential rewards (and risks too tbh). I recall the Tage Thompson signing thread where everyone laughed at Buffalo for making the deal but now it looks like a steal. The last deal close to that was likely Lindholm. (Or Andersson)

[Flames_F.T.W]

I think they should be listening on any of the guys with 1 year remaining after this (Lindholm, Toffoli, Hanifin) and if a team offers anything close to a 1st and top prospect, pull the trigger. If the offers aren't there, don't bother. I hope they're at least considering such moves if the offers are there.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Mitch

Flames looking big picture? What am I hearing

Sadly not that. All this is saying is teams are asking. It isn't suggesting the the Flames are open to selling. At least from what I've read.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Kasi

Aaron is right though that the Flames only do the long term offer after the player has broken out. Which limits potential rewards (and risks too tbh). I recall the Tage Thompson signing thread where everyone laughed at Buffalo for making the deal but now it looks like a steal. The last deal close to that was likely Lindholm. (Or Andersson)

NM, you mentioned Andersson. Lindholm is a good example too

[dustygoon]

Flames out of a wild card spot with 66 points after 60 games played. Record is 3-4-3 in their last 10 games. And not sure if buying or selling.

Predators out of a wild card spot with 64 points but with 57 GAMES PLAYED AND HAVE WON THEIR LAST THREE. Selling. Just started the car with Tanner Jeonnot.

What the actual hell is going on with Treliving.

[Muta]

I just don't think the owners want to rebuild. Keep adding veterans, hoping to make the playoffs, and cross fingers once in. That's just how I see it though.

Not saying this is the right way at all, but we haven't had a full rebuild since the late 90s and I'm not sure ownership wants to go through a tumultuous era like that again. Nothing more than a 're-tool' it seems.

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Flames out of a wild card spot with 66 points after 60 games played. Record is 3-4-3 in their last 10 games. And not sure if buying or selling.

Predators out of a wild card spot with 64 points but with 57 GAMES PLAYED AND HAVE WON THEIR LAST THREE. Selling. Just started the car with Tanner Jeonnot.

What the actual hell is going on with Treliving.

Do we know that a lame duck GM has been given the OK to tear it down? Standing pat seems like the most likely scenario. Well that or buying some depth defenceman and bottom six guy as is tradition

[Poe969]

The three worst words for the Flames: Anything. Can. Happen. They're like Homer in the episode where he's chasing the roasted pig. "It's just a little airborne, it's still good..."

[Fighting Banana Slug]

I value what Blake Coleman brings to the table, but I have a hunch he might be moved to Dallas or Carolina.

[Derek Sutton]

Could get rid of 3 or 4 core pieces and still finish 8th-10th. Tre needs to be looking at any and all options.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Muta

I just don't think the owners want to rebuild. Keep adding veterans, hoping to make the playoffs, and cross fingers once in. That's just how I see it though.

Not saying this is the right way at all, but we haven't had a full rebuild since the late 90s and I'm not sure ownership wants to go through a tumultuous era like that again. Nothing more than a 're-tool' it seems.

You can have both in this scenario. Because contracts like Kadri, Huberdeau are largely immovable, you can re-tool while selling fairly high value assets and still have a potentially competitive roster out the other end depending on how those two players pick up after. Selling Toffoli + hanifin as a raw example, but cases could also be made for going and selling mango, tanev, and lindy as well. Those 5 guys would be a huge cut to the roster, but outside of Lindholm I wouldn't include any in a 5 person core of the current roster.

[Monahammer]

Also we can't have a 10 player core. That needs redefining. You core should be 3 forwards, 2 d and 1 goalie max. No more than 6 names. Anyone outside of that should be moveable for the right price. too much sentimentality here.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Kasi

Aaron is right though that the Flames only do the long term offer after the player has broken out. Which limits potential rewards (and risks too tbh). I recall the Tage Thompson signing thread where everyone laughed at Buffalo for making the deal but now it looks like a steal. The last deal close to that was likely Lindholm. (Or Andersson)

He's not really right though IMO.

The only case where they didn't go long term where they should have was Tkachuk and maybe Mangiapane. But different points of the building cycle as Buffalo and were capped out when those ones came up.

Gaudreau and Monahan were both signed long term the first opportunity they had to re-sign them. (6 and 7 years respectively)

Hanifin and Lindholm were signed to 6 year deals before ever playing a game with the Flames.

Andersson was signed to a 6 year deal.

You could criticize them for not going 8 years in every scenario but also not realistic either.

[N-E-B]

The Flames have a ton of really excellent depth pieces on short, team-friendly contracts. They lack the elite talent, but they still have a ton of attractive pieces. The cupboards could be stocked pretty quickly if they decide it's time to go in a different direction (which, frankly, I think anyone saying otherwise is lying to themselves).

[Atodaso]

Originally Posted by Muta

I just don't think the owners want to rebuild. Keep adding veterans, hoping to make the playoffs, and cross fingers once in. That's just how I see it though.

Not saying this is the right way at all, but we haven't had a full rebuild since the late 90s and I'm not sure ownership wants to go through a tumultuous era like that again. Nothing more than a 're-tool' it seems.

Did they even rebuild in the late 90's?

It's not like 2004 was the culmination of a rebuild. Both their goalies went down and they lucked into a Hall of Fame caliber goalie by trading a 2nd and going on a Cinderella run. And then the game changed.

They've been re-tooling for 20 years now.

[Toonage]

The real wrench in this may be Treliving's status.

[SaskyFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Do you ever ask yourself ‘what don’t I know here?’ Or is the assumption the Flames are idiots and you know better from your couch/keyboard?

Pretty sure the Flames spoke with Tkachuk about a number of possibilities, long term and short term. Did Tkachuk let on that he might want to play elsewhere down the line? Doubt it. Did Tkachuk know Sutter would eventually be the coach and they might not see eye to eye? Probably not. Did the Flames say ‘we can sign you to 7-8 years but we have to move X to do so’.

You make the best decisions you can at the time with the information you have available. I can’t speak to what discussions were had because I wasn’t there and neither were you. But to think extending Tkachuk to a longer term deal wasn’t discussed is absurd. And if they took you suggested approach with each of their young players surely they would get burned by that as well and guys like yourself would be talking about how stupid the Flames are for signing player X for 7-8 years and now they’re stuck. The sword has two edges.

I had heard an interview recently where Tkachuk said he wanted to sign long term but cap considerations prevented it. Might have been on Spittin Chiclets but can’t remember for sure. He was definitely open to and wanted to sign long term after his ELC though. Or at least he is saying that now.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Do we know that a lame duck GM has been given the OK to tear it down? Standing pat seems like the most likely scenario. Well that or buying some depth defenceman and bottom six guy as is tradition

Great point. I use Treliving in the "royal we" sense here. Management/ownership...please throw in the towel.