02-25-2023, 10:44 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Ontario
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Boston looks unstoppable, but the Rangers appear to have pretty good chemistry, and if Shesterkin plays to his full ability during the playoffs, there would be no stopping them.
Other than Boston, it's pretty wide open. It's a good year to go for it.
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02-25-2023, 10:46 AM
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#22
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by InternationalVillager
This is bad for the league. More and more- small market teams will stop being competitive at all. Like the NBA.
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What’s bad for the league is one team getting 4 number one picks and a bunch of other high ones within a few years of each other. Of course, said team evened put that unfairness by sucking anyway.
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02-25-2023, 10:47 AM
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#23
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by Poe969
It's not the same because Kane didn't say "I want to play for a small market team" he's. Ade.it clear he will only go to NYR. The Flames could offer 5 first round picks but he won't come here.
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Originally Posted by Geeoff
In this case, it is a player using his No Movement Clause. Although, there are a lot of good reasons to debate whether NMCs are good for the NHL or not. NMC and NTC does favor popular teams and cities and obviously it does favor players over the teams
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The point I'm trying to convey is that the player mindsets have changed a lot in the last 10 years. You will see more and more players leaving their original teams that drafted them. Of course this favours the large market teams. However, in the past this wasn't as big of an issue due to cap constraints except now more and more players will choose to sign discounts with those large market teams and then those large market teams will also benefit through this "double retention" trade strategy because star players on expiring (RFA/UFA) contracts mostly have NTC/NMC will pick and choose their teams.
No player is taking a discount to stay with a small market team.
No player is choosing a small market team at the deadline if they have NMC/NTC.
The salary cap structure is starting to fail in front of our eyes and over time- there will be complaints from the owners amongst each other. The whole reason salary cap was implemented was to level the playing field in the first place.
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02-25-2023, 10:47 AM
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#24
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by keenan87
The Rangers will look scary good after this.
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The East playoffs will be awesome to watch with all those powerhouse teams.
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02-25-2023, 10:58 AM
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#25
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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Originally Posted by Ped
Boston looks unstoppable, but the Rangers appear to have pretty good chemistry, and if Shesterkin plays to his full ability during the playoffs, there would be no stopping them.
Other than Boston, it's pretty wide open. It's a good year to go for it.
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Im of the opinion that Carolina is the biggest threat to Boston, and they havent made a big move....yet.
Timo Maier come on down!
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02-25-2023, 11:00 AM
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#26
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Boca Raton, FL
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Originally Posted by InternationalVillager
The point I'm trying to convey is that the player mindsets have changed a lot in the last 10 years. You will see more and more players leaving their original teams that drafted them. Of course this favours the large market teams. However, in the past this wasn't as big of an issue due to cap constraints except now more and more players will choose to sign discounts with those large market teams and then those large market teams will also benefit through this "double retention" trade strategy because star players on expiring (RFA/UFA) contracts mostly have NTC/NMC will pick and choose their teams.
No player is taking a discount to stay with a small market team.
No player is choosing a small market team at the deadline if they have NMC/NTC.
The salary cap structure is starting to fail in front of our eyes and over time- there will be complaints from the owners amongst each other. The whole reason salary cap was implemented was to level the playing field in the first place.
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Johnny Gaudreau just signed long term in small market Columbus at a likely lower than market rate. It was odd, but it still happened. He left a small market to go to a...small market...for less money.
You're just grasping at straws.
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02-25-2023, 11:01 AM
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#27
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Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Toronto, Ontario
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I don't think the Rangers have it. Bottom two lines are inconsistent as is their defence. Kane has been injured this season as well so assuming they're paying a premium, I don't get it. No team should be lining up for Kane considering he needs surgery. Desperate teams keep doing desperate things.
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02-25-2023, 11:02 AM
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#28
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by bluejays
I don't think the Rangers have it. Bottom two lines are inconsistent as is their defence. Kane has been injured this season as well so assuming they're paying a premium, I don't get it. No team should be lining up for Kane considering he needs surgery. Desperate teams keep doing desperate things.
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Patrick Kane needs surgery?
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02-25-2023, 11:10 AM
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#30
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ped
Boston looks unstoppable, but the Rangers appear to have pretty good chemistry, and if Shesterkin plays to his full ability during the playoffs, there would be no stopping them.
Other than Boston, it's pretty wide open. It's a good year to go for it.
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Both the Hurricanes and Devils have more points, better GF/GA and the Rangers would likely have to beat both of them to even get to the Bruins…definitely not wide open.
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02-25-2023, 11:12 AM
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#31
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by InternationalVillager
Not true.
Just because they are the NYR.
Adam Fox
Vlad Tarasenko
Patrick Kane
Artemi Panarin
These were all players who chose (or will choose in case of Kane) to go there because of playing in New York and for the Rangers in Manhattan. These are no schlubs.
Boston-
Krejci - $1M
Bergeron - $2.5M
Both took less so that the team could load up. Because why? Boston.
If you look around just in popular culture- it already started happening in the NBA 15 years ago.
Since the Spurs won the NBA title in 2005, it has been won by:
- GSW x 4
- Miami x 3
- Lakers x 3
- Dallas x 1
- Spurs x 1
- Cleveland x 1
- Toronto x 1
- Milwaukee x 1
Out of all those championships, the only cities I would consider not a major market are Dallas, San Antonio, Cleveland, Milwaukee. That's 4 out of 15 championships. Cleveland really only won because of Lebron and his ability to attract star players so it's really only 3 teams in 15 years. I see a stretch of this happening in the NHL as it goes down this path where star players decide to team up with other star players in major cities while taking discounts etc. Now that this double retention trade is out of the bag, the trade deadline will never be the same. These major market teams will continuously load up at the deadline with star players.
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Only Miami on that list really build a free agent team.
Golden State drafted and kept players and came into a unique situation when the cap blew up due to a tv rights deal along with the best free agent come along in who knows when and signed him into that space.
Lakers traded for Gasol but had drafted players on the roster. Also traded for Davis with a bunch of good young players.
Look at thr standings those big market teams suck.
Plus the NBA is a small roster you really can't do that in the NHL.
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02-25-2023, 11:14 AM
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#32
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Farther away from the Dome than I'd like
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I guess its true what they say: It takes a village(r) to raise a child(ish fuss)
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02-25-2023, 11:20 AM
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#33
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Pent-up
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Plutanamo Bay.
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Originally Posted by bluejays
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Seems to be playing through it okay as he nailed his audition tour last week.
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02-25-2023, 11:23 AM
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#34
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Commie Referee
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Small town, B.C.
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An NMC and it’s clear there’s only one team in the running. I’m guessing the return will be underwhelming for the Hawks. Better than nothing I guess.
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02-25-2023, 11:32 AM
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Franchise Player
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Only 1 team so less than Agostino, Hanowski and a 1st?
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02-25-2023, 11:34 AM
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#36
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by InternationalVillager
The point I'm trying to convey is that the player mindsets have changed a lot in the last 10 years. You will see more and more players leaving their original teams that drafted them. Of course this favours the large market teams. However, in the past this wasn't as big of an issue due to cap constraints except now more and more players will choose to sign discounts with those large market teams and then those large market teams will also benefit through this "double retention" trade strategy because star players on expiring (RFA/UFA) contracts mostly have NTC/NMC will pick and choose their teams.
No player is taking a discount to stay with a small market team.
No player is choosing a small market team at the deadline if they have NMC/NTC.
The salary cap structure is starting to fail in front of our eyes and over time- there will be complaints from the owners amongst each other. The whole reason salary cap was implemented was to level the playing field in the first place.
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Nah the level playing field crap was just bull#### they fed fans so they would come back and watch the games after the lockout.
Salary Cap is purely financial
I guess there are some things we could look at. We could ban third party salary retention, or ban salary retention altogether. I think salary retention helps sellers and buyers but hurts the teams in-between. The tiebreaker may be that getting rid of salary retention would make the trade deadline much more boring.
Last edited by Geeoff; 02-25-2023 at 11:43 AM.
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02-25-2023, 11:36 AM
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#37
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan
Johnny Gaudreau just signed long term in small market Columbus at a likely lower than market rate. It was odd, but it still happened. He left a small market to go to a...small market...for less money.
You're just grasping at straws.
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Gaudreau found out he wasn’t the hot commodity he thought he was I think. And he boxed himself in pretty badly.
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02-25-2023, 11:54 AM
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#38
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Austria, NOT Australia
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Quote:
Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan
An NMC and it’s clear there’s only one team in the running. I’m guessing the return will be underwhelming for the Hawks. Better than nothing I guess.
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probably. But as much as I dislike the Rangers, my heart won't exactly bleed for the Hawks either.
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02-25-2023, 12:02 PM
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#39
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by bluejays
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Similar to Monahan, and powered through it. In hindsight maybe the summer after the bubble, would've been the best time. Miss much of the next season (21-22), leading into a return this season a contract year.
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02-25-2023, 12:05 PM
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#40
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2022
Location: California
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Quote:
Originally Posted by InternationalVillager
Since the Spurs won the NBA title in 2005, it has been won by:
- GSW x 4
- Miami x 3
- Lakers x 3
- Dallas x 1
- Spurs x 1
- Cleveland x 1
- Toronto x 1
- Milwaukee x 1
Out of all those championships, the only cities I would consider not a major market are Dallas, San Antonio, Cleveland, Milwaukee. That's 4 out of 15 championships. Cleveland really only won because of Lebron and his ability to attract star players so it's really only 3 teams in 15 years. I see a stretch of this happening in the NHL as it goes down this path where star players decide to team up with other star players in major cities while taking discounts etc. Now that this double retention trade is out of the bag, the trade deadline will never be the same. These major market teams will continuously load up at the deadline with star players.
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Dallas is the 4th largest metro in the US.
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