2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by keenan87

... and there are still some people on here who think the Rangers don't have an unfair advantage when building a team. Lucky team based on location

Absolutely.

I don't know you solve for it, but they clearly have an advantage over most other NHL teams. You could probably add the Florida and California teams also but NYR even seems to be above them in terms of where high end players want to be.
It will be more fun though when McDavid or Leon decide to leave the Oil.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Absolutely.

I don't know you solve for it, but they clearly have an advantage over most other NHL teams. You could probably add the Florida and California teams also but NYR even seems to be above them in terms of where high end players want to be.
It will be more fun though when McDavid or Leon decide to leave the Oil.

The salary cap solves it.

Sure they get certain players who want to play for them but it's not like they are playing for free.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

The salary cap solves it.

Sure they get certain players who want to play for them but it's not like they are playing for free.

Chicago can trade Kane or lose him for nothing. So, they probably want to get SOMETHING for him.

So just an example:

The Flames might offer a 1st + 2nd + prospect for Kane
-- then as for Salary Cap, Flames may need to trade a 1st to Arizona to take on 50% of the cap hit

The Rangers know Kane only wants to play for them, so they might offer a 2nd + prospect for Kane.
-- then as for Salary Cap, the Rangers may trade a 1st to Arizona to take on 50% of the cap hit.

In the end:

Flames trade 2 1sts + 2nd + prospect for Kane

Rangers trade 1st + 2nd + prospect for Kane

That is an unfair advantage to me even with the salary cap.

[dammage79]

I don't know. In all the years of New York city having the preferred destination advantage, they don't have a steady string of Stanley cups . Yeah it's an advantage but it's almost always squandered. And then they're left carry the boat anchor.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Absolutely.

I don't know you solve for it, but they clearly have an advantage over most other NHL teams. You could probably add the Florida and California teams also but NYR even seems to be above them in terms of where high end players want to be.
It will be more fun though when McDavid or Leon decide to leave the Oil.

Originally Posted by keenan87

Chicago can trade Kane or lose him for nothing. So, they probably want to get SOMETHING for him.

So just an example:

The Flames might offer a 1st + 2nd + prospect for Kane
-- then as for Salary Cap, Flames may need to trade a 1st to Arizona to take on 50% of the cap hit

The Rangers know Kane only wants to play for them, so they might offer a 2nd + prospect for Kane.
-- then as for Salary Cap, the Rangers may trade a 1st to Arizona to take on 50% of the cap hit.

In the end:

Flames trade 2 1sts + 2nd + prospect for Kane

Rangers trade 1st + 2nd + prospect for Kane

That is an unfair advantage to me even with the salary cap.

Kane has a NTC so if he was willingn to waive to come here or New York I think Chicago would be insane not to take a overpayment for him.

I think most GMs would know the market and not overpay for a 20 game rental.

I think your issue is more that Kane only wants to go to New York. That's his choice not much you can do about it.

After this week in Calgary if I was given the opportunity to pick a sunny destination over this crap I would absolutely jump at that opportunity unless the team gave me a heated driveway.

[nieuwy-89]

The Flames have lots of players that would be attractive as depth for playoff teams. Players don’t have to be on expiring contracts to be moved at the deadline.

Zadorov would be a perfect depth defenceman for a contending team. He is not part of the Flames core and should be considered available. I think he could fetch a lot and moving him for a first or two seconds would be excellent asset management.

Lewis, Lucic, and Ritchie may also fetch some interest and maybe a late round pick.

For the rest of the team, you listen to any and all offers but you are not actively shopping guys.

[mile]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1629522003639037960

[dammage79]

Timo, come on down to NJ.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by mile

https://twitter.com/user/status/1629522003639037960

Would love to see a hockey trade with the Flames being involved but likely NJ. I also wonder if a team like Buffalo might be a surptose front runner.

[Flames1217]

If we traded for Meier I would hope he would have a long term deal in place.

I would give up Mangiapane, 2023 first and a prospect like Poirier.

Meier signed to like an 8x8 type deal.

No deal in place I am not interested.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I don't know. In all the years of New York city having the preferred destination advantage, they don't have a steady string of Stanley cups . Yeah it's an advantage but it's almost always squandered. And then they're left carry the boat anchor.

Until Shesterkin they’ve not had the best goaltending. And he’s looked a little off this year as well. He set a high bar TBF.

The salary cap starts to level the field. But there’s still tax advantages that seem to be significant for some teams, and weather and cachet advantages for some cities.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

There was an article in the Athletic that interviewed Aaron Ward and Ray Shero.

It wasn't Iggy changing last minute it was Ward being used to jump the gun to get Pittsburgh to up their offer.

Considering the grabage we got its horrifying to think what was the initial offer.

Chicago probably gonna get a similar return for Kane, since the Rangers have all the leverage.

[Kipper_3434]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Until Shesterkin they’ve not had the best goaltending. And he’s looked a little off this year as well. He set a high bar TBF.

The salary cap starts to level the field. But there’s still tax advantages that seem to be significant for some teams, and weather and cachet advantages for some cities.

Huh? Bad goaltending? They had a decade of Lundquist

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Flames1217

If we traded for Meier I would hope he would have a long term deal in place.

I would give up Mangiapane, 2023 first and a prospect like Poirier.

Meier signed to like an 8x8 type deal.

No deal in place I am not interested.

With what cap space?

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by codynw

With what cap space?

Trade someone like Hanifin, Backlund, or Zadorov in the off-season and you are almost there.

[flambers]

Just need to be creative, the team that acquires Meier

Likely will have the same cap challenges as the Flames

Flames need to be more creative...

Move players, they have to many checker types and not enough skill IMO

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by codynw

With what cap space?

Well in that example Mangiapane would be $5.8mil

[Flame On]

Originally Posted by flambers

Just need to be creative, the team that acquires Meier

Likely will have the same cap challenges as the Flames

Flames need to be more creative...

Move players, they have to many checker types and not enough skill IMO

But checker types are far cheaper, and we have a coaching staff that suits that model. It's just bad timing that our goalie has fallen off a cliff which obviously plays heavily into a checking/lower skill team.
You have to build a cohesive team with a group of players which compliment each other, not the disparate group assembled that we currently have.

I agree though. Creativity is key and they will have cap challenges.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Flame On

But checker types are far cheaper, and we have a coaching staff that suits that model. It's just bad timing that our goalie has fallen off a cliff which obviously plays heavily into a checking/lower skill team.
You have to build a cohesive team with a group of players which compliment each other, not the disparate group assembled that we currently have.

I agree though. Creativity is key and they will have cap challenges.

Maybe, however there is a reason the Flames are a bubble team

Checkers are cheaper for sure, a good team however will have entry level contracts on their roster.

Flames however went with an older like team

[Enoch Root]

I am not thrilled about having a guy like Wilson on the team either, but when the Oilers added Kane, they started the escalation. And for that reason alone, I would happily welcome Wilson here - PERFECT counter move.