Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Honestly that's maybe the strongest condemnation I've actually seen from a CPC politician since... I don't know when. "Stay out of our country you hateful racist" is not a tone I recall Harper, Scheer or O'Toole ever taking when distancing themselves from bad people.

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

PP came out with a condemnation of the MP's that met with Anderson, to me its not enough, again its why I don't have a voting home.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1629135065513959432

That’s not condemnation, that is regret.

[CaptainCrunch]

Of course Maxime has to check in.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1629144916428193792

[Firebot]

I get that we want to politize especially when it's 'our side' so to speak that committed the act, but there is no whataboutism to be had here.

Neo nazis isn't 'my side' so they need to clean house if they want my vote. Period.

[Fuzz]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1628861616371687424

So Pierre is cool with his MP's either being absolute morons and not knowing who they are sitting next to having dinner with? Are we supposed to believe that? It's not just the first picture, where I can excuse politicians accidentally having their photo taken with horrible people. It happens. But to have a dinner with them? Sorry, bull#### meter at maximum, particularity considering Lewis's past. Pierre, this is not nearly good enough. Try again. Why can't the CPC take a stand against this? Have some ####ing conviction, or Canadians are going to rightfully think you are with them.

[Ozy_Flame]

You're assuming Pierre cares about his moderate base, which I have yet to see done in any discernable fashion. He clearly wants that far-right PPC vote, and he'll crypto/convoy/freedumb his way to get their love.

His majority moderate base and moderate Canadians are right there for the taking. And he's duffing it.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

https://twitter.com/user/status/1628861616371687424

So Pierre is cool with his MP's either being absolute morons and not knowing who they are sitting next to having dinner with? Are we supposed to believe that? It's not just the first picture, where I can excuse politicians accidentally having their photo taken with horrible people. It happens. But to have a dinner with them? Sorry, bull#### meter at maximum, particularity considering Lewis's past. Pierre, this is not nearly good enough. Try again. Why can't the CPC take a stand against this? Have some ####ing conviction, or Canadians are going to rightfully think you are with them.

I agree. If Someone from the Liberal group would have posed with or been associated with neo-nazi they would have been booted immediately.

[opendoor]

Any federal politician who says they have no idea what AfD is and what they stand for is either a liar or is so uninformed about world affairs that they're not fit for the job.



It's more likely that those 3 MPs knew exactly who they were meeting with and they were happy to because they're largely in alignment with AfD's views.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by opendoor

Any federal politician who says they have no idea what AfD is and what they stand for is either a liar or is so uninformed about world affairs that they're not fit for the job.



It's more likely that those 3 MPs knew exactly who they were meeting with and they were happy to because they're largely in alignment with AfD's views.

It's also extremely likely Pierre knows all of this, and expects Canadians to accept his weak sauce denouncement as satisfactory. It's not. I hope he gets raked over the coals on this one, he had one chance o address it with the seriousness it deserves.

If Conservatives wonder why voters no longer trust the CPC, and are wary of their stance, in public and private on social issues, this is exactly why. These people are allowed to remain in the party and influence it. We have no trust in them changing, because they never change(other than seemingly getting worse year by year).

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by calculoso

Did they mention what was the increase in costs, since that is what they are using to justify higher prices? Did costs for them increase 2% but they saw 10% in growth (for example)?

At large dollar figures, percentages become meaningless and actual dollars matter. I don’t know what that line is, but evaluating 10% growth for a small business vs a Loblaws sized business are massive differences and should be evaluated as such.

Loblaws isn't really a grocery business. It's also a banking, pharmacy, and cosmetics business. The largest driver of margin growth was Shoppers Drug Mart, in a pandemic recovery year

[Cappy]

There have of course been situations where politicians meet dispicable people at the politician's event or some open event. For example, PP having shaken hands with the Diaglon guy.

To me, that is forgivable. These politicians can't know everyone or what they look like or potentially what these nobodies represent.

Politicians going to a political event from a MEP, that they were likely formally invited to? I call B.S. that they didn't take 5 minutes to google what they were going to.

The name of the event is literally called "What would Christine Anderson do".

I will admit, going to the event website doesn't say much. It talks alot about the freedom convoy and "freedoms" in general. Most members of the CPC have certainly thrown their hat in that ring without much blow back.

Her Wiki page is inoffensive; until you go to the political party she belongs to. There it states the party's ideology with citations. The unfortunate thing is that these politicians would 100% follow that ideology and many of their voters.

So I doubt one second these people didnt know who she was and what she represented, they chose to go. Will it effecting voting intentions in their ridings? nah.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

What if this is true?

What if these 3 donkeys met with this facist and didn't have the ####ing common sense to look into who they were meeting with.

How ####ing dumb.

Happens all the time. Blaming staff here is appropriate.

[Jason14h]

The old saying - don’t attribute to malice what can be explain by incompetence

Most of these politicians have a PA booking all this and it wouldn’t surprise me one bit that no one did due diligence

To me that’s actually worse then if they knew . Laziness and incompetence in government is a much larger threat to a countries success then bad photo oops that will be forgotten by tomorrow

[CaptainCrunch]

Did they mention what was the increase in costs, since that is what they are using to justify higher prices? Did costs for them increase 2% but they saw 10% in growth (for example)?

At large dollar figures, percentages become meaningless and actual dollars matter. I don’t know what that line is, but evaluating 10% growth for a small business vs a Loblaws sized business are massive differences and should be evaluated as such.

They have indicated cost increases in supplier costs for example in some of their releases. But this is something that the suppliers and producers would have to answer.

I expect fully that in any commons situation, the CEO's of grocers are going to rally around the, our profits aren't growing exponentially and are really still pretty low percentage wise.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by peter12

Happens all the time. Blaming staff here is appropriate.

Their staff have to teach them basic facts about far-right extremism in Europe? They didn't say they didn't know that this person was part of AfD; they said they had no idea what AfD was or what their views were.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by peter12

Happens all the time. Blaming staff here is appropriate.

I could buy that kind of argument say 20 years ago. But today, you get a meeting with someone and have no idea who they are. First thing you're doing is googling them, right? You want to know who your meeting and something about them?

Now, imagine your a politician...that's at least doubly the case. Everyone is googling everyone else if they've never met them. There's absolutely no way that a politician can try to claim ignorance. It's preposterous.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by peter12

Happens all the time. Blaming staff here is appropriate.

Are you attempting to be willfully blind? They shared a meal with these people. Politicians don't just let staffers set up meals with multiple MP's without knowing who they are. That's ridiculous. These far right members of the CPC knew exactly who they were breaking bread with.

Like I said, a random photo or handshake can be excused if the politician denounces it after. These things happen all the time. This was a much longer meeting than that. Have any of these 3 despicable MP's apologized? Claimed ignorance?

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Pierre's condemnation statement would have been a million times better if he would have just left out the second paragraph. The rest of the statement was pretty bang on. Unfortunately, him thinking Canadians are dumb enough to fall for his excuse makes the entire statement useless. That second paragraph was just so needless.

[Fuzz]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1629154114964795393

Max, you can ####ing have them. Time to round up all the crazies and leave them to wallow in their own filth so the rest of Canada can go back to having reasonable centrist choices.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Pierre has today to show Canada that the CPC will not tolerate these people in the party and boot them. Anything less is acceptance, and he will be bludgeoned with it until he loses the next election.

When Tim Houston had an MLA here in Nova Scotia that went anti-vaxxer and convoy crazy, he kicked her out, quickly and swiftly.

In fairness, she was re-elected in her riding as an independent MLA.

What happened to Houston? He overcame a projected Liberal majority government to form a majority government himself and is currently Premier with a solid mandate.

That said, I have 0 belief that PP will do the same.