Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by GGG

On the other hand this is a company that literally fixed the price of bread.

Zero benefit of the doubt should be given and all actions of the major grocers should be scrutinized given their oligopoly status.

If only the government would step in and give them millions of dollars for new freezers or something, maybe they could afford to drop the food prices for us common folks.

[Firebot]

Just a reminder

https://twitter.com/user/status/1574372995459604482

At this point Poilievre clearly does know who Diagolon and McKenzie is, even if he genuinely did not know who they were prior. So why are his MPs meeting with neo-Nazis like Anderson who goes to neo-Nazi Diagolon parties? His own MP's are associating with neo-nazis who broadcasted they wanted to rape Poilievre's wife and they don't see a problem?

As EE said earlier, this is bad on so many levels.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Just a reminder

https://twitter.com/user/status/1574372995459604482

At this point Poilievre clearly does know who Diagolon and McKenzie is, even if he genuinely did not know who they were prior. So why are his MPs meeting with neo-Nazis like Anderson who goes to neo-Nazi Diagolon parties? His own MP's are associating with neo-nazis who broadcasted they wanted to rape Poilievre's wife and they don't see a problem?

As EE said earlier, this is bad on so many levels.

Well, we'll see if he sanctions his MP's.
If not, we'll know his true feelings, despite his tweet.

Not that I have any doubts. PP has been heavily flirting with the far right and I wouldn't be surprised if he's in bed with them already.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by Roughneck

https://twitter.com/user/status/1628882426675056641

Can someone help identify which Conservative MPs are in the photos? I recognize Lewis, but not the others. Also tried a quick google but the results were all out-dated.

Big opportunity here for PP to make a statement, one way or another.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Can someone help identify which Conservative MPs are in the photos? I recognize Lewis, but not the others. Also tried a quick google but the results were all out-dated.

Big opportunity here for PP to make a statement, one way or another.

One of them is Dean Allison, the MP for Niagara, (formerly my riding). Guy is an anti-vaxxer who likes to just "ask question" and is pretty chummy with Freedumb Convoy people. He's an embarrassment.

The other is Colin Carrie, who told Parliament that WEF has infiltrated the Liberal party.

[The Fonz]

It's bugging me that they're angling their right arm instead of their left.

[Fuzz]

Pierre has today to show Canada that the CPC will not tolerate these people in the party and boot them. Anything less is acceptance, and he will be bludgeoned with it until he loses the next election.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Pierre has today to show Canada that the CPC will not tolerate these people in the party and boot them. Anything less is acceptance, and he will be bludgeoned with it until he loses the next election.

He needs to stamp this out right now and make a statement with action.

You want a wedge issue? Sympathizing with neo-nazis is most certainly a wedge issue.

CPC should have distanced themselves from the freedom loonies instead of embracing it in an effort to recapture the PPC dissidents, considering they include these groups.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by peter12

Honestly, government should be doing something about this. Maybe not price controls but something.

What are you they going to do? Grocers in Canada operate the same way telecom companies do. Been gouging & price fixing stuff for years.

[Ozy_Flame]

"Until about a month ago I had never heard of Diagolon".

Bull####. Conservative MPP member Randy Hillier out of Ontario was hanging out with Diagolon well before that September tweet, and it got media coverage. Milhouse is out to lunch and pretending like he doesn't know anything.

Also, the Diagolon flag was being flown in Coutts last year. I doubt the CPC would be unaware of the people they were pumping the tires on during convoy crap.

In such a highly sensitive/visible situation with extremists (and trying to keep them out), he would be absolutely out of touch if he doesn't reprimand these party members or outright get rid of them.

Let's see if he's a coward as much as he is a weasel.

[GGG]

It’s an opportunity for PP to get rid of Lewis as a power broker I think the political benefit of appealing the to the Center and marginalizing a rival internally will make him make a fairly strong statement condemning this.

[CaptainCrunch]

Is there gouging? I'm sure there is? Is there price profiteering? I'm sure there is.

But is it at the grocer level, or distribution or logistics or production, or with the company providing power.

I mean with Loblaws in the 4th quarter of last year they have $529 million in profit, I mean that sounds huge. But they also had $14 billion in revenues. and that was a 10% growth over the same period last year. That's a 3.8% profit.

When people are grousing that profits raised 12% and that its a sheer sign of profiteering, its more complex then that especially since gorcers are really high volume low profit percentage.

Of course profits rose, people bought 10% more stuff in the same period over last year. The profit percentage stayed pretty much the same.

There needs to be a analysis on why food costs are raised besides the simplistic bargle bargle its greedy profiteer pirates at the final level before the consumer.

Its also way more complicated because we are talking about a high volume low margin mixed sku retailer. Certainly some items have a very high profit, some have very low or negative profits to balance it off.

Before any government can step in and take control or set pricing. Because governments are spectacularly incompetent when they step in like this They need to have a direct understanding of all ends of the logistics and productive chain. The effect of taxes on that, the effect of a low value dollar on food costs. The profits on farms the profits on logistics center all have to be examined.

I know Singh has been raving on Twitter about this and demanded that CEO's for grocery stores are to show up in committee so he can provide a public spanking. But I don't think if he doesn't understand all aspects of things that this is going to go well for him.

This is far more complex then government interference can handle.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

"Until about a month ago I had never heard of Diagolon".

Bull####. Conservative MPP member Randy Hillier out of Ontario was hanging out with Diagolon well before that September tweet, and it got media coverage. Milhouse is out to lunch and pretending like he doesn't know anything.

Also, the Diagolon flag was being flown in Coutts last year. I doubt the CPC would be unaware of the people they were pumping the tires on during convoy crap.

In such a highly sensitive/visible situation with extremists (and trying to keep them out), he would be absolutely out of touch if he doesn't reprimand these party members or outright get rid of them.

Let's see if he's a coward as much as he is a weasel.

I see what you're saying but isn't Hiller an Ontario provincial mpp? that has nothing to do with the Federal Conservative Party. This is more of a question for Rob Ford then anything else.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I see what you're saying but isn't Hiller an Ontario provincial mpp? that has nothing to do with the Federal Conservative Party. This is more of a question for Rob Ford then anything else.

You really think there is a social separation between federal and provincial conservative party members? You really don't think the leader of the CPC has met with MPP members and shared social events and circles with them, especially during the high-profile exposure of Randy Hillier's antics during the convoy protests? Even Hillier's riding of Lanark—Frontenac—Kingston is like a stones throw away from Pierre's riding of Carleton. Pierre also seems to like holding his Conservative political buddies close to the chest, even if they demonstrate extremism.

To say Pierre and his handlers do not know about or are not following the antics of Conservative politicians in his proximity is a stretch.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

You really think there is a social separation between federal and provincial conservative party members? You really don't think the leader of the CPC has met with MPP members and shared social events and circles with them, especially during the high-profile exposure of Randy Hillier's antics during the convoy protests? Even Hillier's riding of Lanark—Frontenac—Kingston is like a stones throw away from Pierre's riding of Carleton. Pierre also seems to like holding his Conservative political buddies close to the chest, even if they demonstrate extremism.

To say Pierre and his handlers do not know about or are not following the antics of Conservative politicians in his proximity is a stretch.

I don't know, but the Ontario provincial party is not his to manage or run. So I think pinning Hillier on him is unfair.

Yeah absolutely for the MP's above meeting with a German radical, expell the MP's censor them absolutely.

I mean right now would PP be a fan of Fords Conservative Party? Probably not as Ford as snuggled up to Trudeau pretty hard.

[Ozy_Flame]

You're missing the OG point here - Pierre most assuredly knew about Diagolon through Randy Hillier's antics during the convoy with Diagolon. I mean the guy had media coverage about turning himself into police. This has nothing to do with how well Pierre knows Randy and everything to do about the alignment of conservative politicians (even in his own backyard) with far-right extremists.

If Pierre and his team aren't keeping tabs on situations like this, then he's not doing his job.

I also think Doug's ghosting of the convoy situation was probably not done in isolation of his conservative federal counterparts. Ottawa is Doug's responsibility and Pierre was out there tootin' horns. Dollars to donuts their circles were in touch about this, especially if it meant damaging support for the Liberals.

[CaptainCrunch]

So and I get it, and you're right to an extent, but there is a separation to Hillier and the Federal party.

PP came out with a condemnation of the MP's that met with Anderson, to me its not enough, again its why I don't have a voting home.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1629135065513959432

But if we apply the same standards universally. Boot MP's for meeting with these nut jobs (which I agree with).

Then Trudeau would have been gone after he and his wife posed for pictures with Jaspal Atwal. And Singh should have resigned after pictures came up with him with Sikh extremists.

Its all repellent. There is no standard of action.

We can't condemn one without condemning the other.

[Ozy_Flame]

Who's talking about Trudeau? We're talking about Poilievre. Does this have to resort to a whataboutism?

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

So and I get it, and you're right to an extent, but there is a separation to Hillier and the Federal party.

PP came out with a condemnation of the MP's that met with Anderson, to me its not enough, again its why I don't have a voting home.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1629135065513959432

But if we apply the same standards universally. Boot MP's for meeting with these nut jobs (which I agree with).

Then Trudeau would have been gone after he and his wife posed for pictures with Jaspal Atwal. And Singh should have resigned after pictures came up with him with Sikh extremists.

Its all repellent. There is no standard of action.

We can't condemn one without condemning the other.

What if this is true?

What if these 3 donkeys met with this facist and didn't have the ####ing common sense to look into who they were meeting with.

How ####ing dumb.

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Is there gouging? I'm sure there is? Is there price profiteering? I'm sure there is.

But is it at the grocer level, or distribution or logistics or production, or with the company providing power.

I mean with Loblaws in the 4th quarter of last year they have $529 million in profit, I mean that sounds huge. But they also had $14 billion in revenues. and that was a 10% growth over the same period last year. That's a 3.8% profit.

Did they mention what was the increase in costs, since that is what they are using to justify higher prices? Did costs for them increase 2% but they saw 10% in growth (for example)?

At large dollar figures, percentages become meaningless and actual dollars matter. I don’t know what that line is, but evaluating 10% growth for a small business vs a Loblaws sized business are massive differences and should be evaluated as such.