Odd that number one doesn’t mention Crimea or Donbass or Ukraine by name or call for the withdrawal of Russia from the sovereign territory of the Ukraine. They appear to keep forgetting that it their interviews and policy releases.
UN General Assembly votes for resolution calling on Russia to withdraw from Ukraine. 141 countries voted for, 32 abstained, 7 voted against resolution.
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China just released their position on the war in Ukraine.
10. Stopping unilateral sanctions.
So just... Do business with Russia? No preconditions? Or rely solely on toothless multilateral sanctions?
A little update from me. Long story short, we have made it. Me and my family now have Israeli citizenship and I have a fairly well-paid job in Israel now.
After fleeing to Kazakhstan, I spent a month in a small town Jarkent near Chinese border. I had to book a two-bedroom room in a local motel, because all one-bedroom numbers were booked by other evaders.
Staying in Kazakhstan have significantly affected my view of the war. Apparently, Russian politicians have made several claims about how Kazakhstan is historically a Russian land and is not a real country. Since Kazakhstan is in no way between Russia and NATO, those claims have voided the theory that Ukrainian invasion has anything to do with NATO expansion or with the West in general. The war is merely about Russian centuries-long habit of expanding and conquering neighbors. I don't even think it has much to do with Putin. Russia is just naturally expansive county and it always has been. On top of this, because I had to uproot my family and immigrate in the middle of my life because of Russian actions, I have become considerably more russophobic.
When we arrived in Kazakhstan, me and other Russian evaders were taken to the local police office, where it was spelled it out to us that any imperialistic stuff is not going to be tolerated here, but otherwise we are welcome to stay.
While in Kazakhstan, I was technically on vacation, and my boss tried to keep me in, but eventually told me that he's not allowed to employ me unless I am inside Russia and thus I have no choice but to return or quit my job. I said that I can't return and thus have to quit. To my surprise, I was paid the severance package in full even though the employer was aware that if they don't pay I would be powerless to extract any money from them.
While I was in Kazakhstan, my wife stayed in Moscow and was preparing for immigration. Particularly she managed to rent out our apartment. It was a miracle because not many people need to rent a unit in Moscow, and those few who need it, have abundance of abandoned flats to chose from.
Since I have only allowed to spend 30 days in Kazakhstan, I then flew to Turkey. My wife and our two kids also flew there with all the documents required to proven Israeli bloodline. From there we immediately flew to Israel.
Due to an overwhelming flow of immigrants, waiting lines are very long and we had to wait 1.5 months for our interview. To save funds, we lived in a village near Jordan border, which suddenly proved to be a wonderful place to stay and my children enjoyed it very much.
We have passed our interview where the biggest problem appeared to be the American citizenship of my children. It entailed suspicion that we are not really interested on joining Israel but rather looking to move on to USA soon after. Nonetheless we were given citizenship, perhaps because the optics of forcing US-born children back into Russia was not something Israeli immigration authorities wanted to deal with, particularly with overwhelming evidence that those children are Jewish. After receiving citizenship we were utterly busy settling in and finding a job. We were beginning to run a bit low in money although at no point we were in immediate danger.
After some uncertainty and considerable pressure on our family, I have landed a job in a global company that actually donating millions of dollars to Ukraine. Thus, from now on I am contributing a bit to the Ukrainian side of the war. My contributions are minimal obviously, but there's only so much an ordinary man can do anyway.
I have been worried about you and your family over the past few months and am grateful to hear that you have made it to your destination with everyone safe and intact.
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UN General Assembly votes for resolution calling on Russia to withdraw from Ukraine. 141 countries voted for, 32 abstained, 7 voted against resolution.
Don't have time to watch the DW video now, but who voted against withdrawal? (Other than Belarus & Serbia)
Also on the China peace plan...and their clearly obvious ambiguity towards sovereignty.
Let's remember that Russia has "officially" annexed Luhansk, Donetsk, Zaporizhzhia and Kherson
Their plan is exactly as I expected, give Russia what it wants including sanctions lifted. Meanwhile Putin paraded kidnapped children from Mariupol on their big anniversary event to say thank you to Putin on TV.
Only a complete ####ing idiot or russian shill could possibly look at China's "peace plan" and come out of it thinking that:
a) It's a good plan
b) Ukraine will accept it
c) People will ignore what Russia is doing and life resumes like nothing happened.
Stupid stupid stupid. And as Firebot said, russia literally paraded kidnapped children who have likely suffered abuse of all kinds, on russian national tv literally the day this ####hole plan is released.
I'm glad Ukraine is calling it out like it is, as pure nonsense. Gigantic waste of time this "plan" and if anything it was a pitiful attempt to buy russia more time.
Also on the China peace plan...and their clearly obvious ambiguity towards sovereignty.
Let's remember that Russia has "officially" annexed Luhansk, Donetsk, Zaporizhzhia and Kherson
Their plan is exactly as I expected, give Russia what it wants including sanctions lifted. Meanwhile Putin paraded kidnapped children from Mariupol on their big anniversary event to say thank you to Putin on TV.
It basically China wants to look like a leader promoting peace on the world stage while persuing their own interests in the Asia Pacific. Its really telling that China does not specifically condemn invasion as being wrong in this "peace plan".
It's hardly surprising, and I think it's an honest attempt from China, especially after seeing that extended interview from that retired colonel.
They want peace, that is clear. They also don't want to antagonize Russia because they are their biggest neighbor. So they make statements stating they want peace, but don't use words that would piss off the Russians like Crimea, War, Donbass, Atrocities, etc.
It's like when the US invaded Iraq. Canada was against it, but they weren't about to start antagonizing the US with inflammatory speech, but it would have been warranted. What the US did in Iraq was criminal and did not have the backing of its Allies.
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It's hardly surprising, and I think it's an honest attempt from China, especially after seeing that extended interview from that retired colonel.
They want peace, that is clear. They also don't want to antagonize Russia because they are their biggest neighbor. So they make statements stating they want peace, but don't use words that would piss off the Russians like Crimea, War, Donbass, Atrocities, etc.
It's like when the US invaded Iraq. Canada was against it, but they weren't about to start antagonizing the US with inflammatory speech, but it would have been warranted. What the US did in Iraq was criminal and did not have the backing of its Allies.
But no one would say that Canada was pushing for peace in Iraq. We were at best indifferent and at worst by supporting Afghanistan and increasing deployments their to relieve US and UK forces complicit.
I think China in this case is quite similar to Canada in relation to Iraq.
But no one would say that Canada was pushing for peace in Iraq. We were at best indifferent and at worst by supporting Afghanistan and increasing deployments their to relieve US and UK forces complicit.
I think China in this case is quite similar to Canada in relation to Iraq.
Right but at no point did Canada try to provide arms to the Iraqis with the position that we took there. Can't say the same for China.
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