Edmonton is No Good X: Up and Down Like a Toilet Seat

[GioforPM]

Marchand is spitting truths. Although I suspect he would lump Calgary in there too if they were in the discussion.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Marchand is spitting truths. Although I suspect he would lump Calgary in there too if they were in the discussion.

But Calgary is not in the discussion because Calgary is not no good.
Only Edmonton is truly no good, hence the discussion ends there.

[Rising_Oil_Prices]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

+15 when it mattered most.

Swept when it mattered most.

Sure, but they didn’t get swept because of McDavid. You want it both ways, you say the team stinks and is held up by McDavid and Draisaitl, then in the same breath say Mcdavid doesn’t play an overall game and he’s not as good as everyone thinks. Which one is it? Honest question. I kinda think he’s better than most critics think, but the team isn’t as good around him. As an Oiler fan I see that, but I also think McDavid’s drive alone can get them to the cup finals this year. I don’t underestimate his abilities and drive.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Rising_Oil_Prices

Sure, but they didn’t get swept because of McDavid. You want it both ways, you say the team stinks and is held up by McDavid and Draisaitl, then in the same breath say Mcdavid doesn’t play an overall game and he’s not as good as everyone thinks. Which one is it? Honest question. I kinda think he’s better than most critics think, but the team isn’t as good around him. As an Oiler fan I see that, but I also think McDavid’s drive alone can get them to the cup finals this year. I don’t underestimate his abilities and drive.

It's both. Obviously.

[Rising_Oil_Prices]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

It's both. Obviously.

Ahhh.. ok. You’ll have to explain the math to me on that then, because I don’t see how that’s possible. How can a bad team be competitive (3 points out of 1st in the west, semi finals last year) and be carried on their back by a player who is ____? you fill in the blank.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Rising_Oil_Prices

Sure, but they didn’t get swept because of McDavid. You want it both ways, you say the team stinks and is held up by McDavid and Draisaitl, then in the same breath say Mcdavid doesn’t play an overall game and he’s not as good as everyone thinks. Which one is it? Honest question. I kinda think he’s better than most critics think, but the team isn’t as good around him. As an Oiler fan I see that, but I also think McDavid’s drive alone can get them to the cup finals this year. I don’t underestimate his abilities and drive.

Honest question. Why do you feel the need to come to a Calgary board to defend McDavid's honor? Are you his cousin or something?

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Rising_Oil_Prices

Ahhh.. ok. You’ll have to explain the math to me on that then, because I don’t see how that’s possible. How can a bad team be competitive (3 points out of 1st in the west, semi finals last year) and be carried on their back by a player who is ____? you fill in the blank.

There is a simple equation. E =NG

in This case

McDavid is equal to E

and thus he is NG

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Rising_Oil_Prices

Ahhh.. ok. You’ll have to explain the math to me on that then, because I don’t see how that’s possible. How can a bad team be competitive (3 points out of 1st in the west, semi finals last year) and be carried on their back by a player who is ____? you fill in the blank.

Typical Oiler fan needing the leg work done for them. You asked the questions. Do the work to solve the answers.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Rising_Oil_Prices

Ahhh.. ok. You’ll have to explain the math to me on that then, because I don’t see how that’s possible. How can a bad team be competitive (3 points out of 1st in the west, semi finals last year) and be carried on their back by a player who is ____? you fill in the blank.

My honest answer is this.

McDavid and Draisatl are obviously prenominal offensive producers, and power play specialists. That said, they have a noticeable flaw in their games. They don't commit to team defense. While it is true hockey has changed, the fact remains the same that team play and defense wins championships. Skilled players have won plenty of cups, but usually when they play with excellent 200ft teams.

Moreover, the road to being swept in the semi finals was easier then you give credit for. It pains me to say it, but the Oilers beat the second biggest group of play off choke artists in the league ( next to only the Leafs). Sure the Oilers walked the Flames, but any playoff team in the west could have done the same.

In short, they are a good team, only by grace of only two great players, but those two players aren't nearly great enough to make the Oilers a greatteam.

[Rising_Oil_Prices]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

My honest answer is this.

McDavid and Draisatl are obviously prenominal offensive producers, and power play specialists. That said, they have a noticeable flaw in their games. They don't commit to team defense. While it is true hockey has changed, the fact remains the same that team play and defense wins championships. Skilled players have won plenty of cups, but usually when they play with excellent 200ft teams.

Moreover, the road to being swept in the semi finals was easier then you give credit for. It pains me to say it, but the Oilers beat the second biggest group of play off choke artists in the league ( next to only the Leafs). Sure the Oilers walked the Flames, but any playoff team in the west could have done the same.

In short, they are a good team, only by grace of only two great players, but those two players aren't nearly great enough to make the Oilers a greatteam.

Very fair answer.

[Rising_Oil_Prices]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Honest question. Why do you feel the need to come to a Calgary board to defend McDavid's honor? Are you his cousin or something?

I don’t have any answers for that question, maybe I just like a good old fashion debate about hockey. I said that once before on this site, and got called a psychopath. It’s quite a difficult place to speak an opinion. I don’t think that’s healthy. If I ran a fan site, I’d welcome fans from other teams. Let the players do the talking. Just how I see it.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Rising_Oil_Prices

I don’t have any answers for that question, maybe I just like a good old fashion debate about hockey. I said that once before on this site, and got called a psychopath. It’s quite a difficult place to speak an opinion. I don’t think that’s healthy. If I ran a fan site, I’d welcome fans from other teams. Let the players do the talking. Just how I see it.

There are lots of Oiler fans, and fans of other teams on this site. That said, this is not the healthy discussion thread, this is a meme thread about ####ting on every little thing Edmonton that you can possibly dream of.

Try chatting about it in other thread. If you want inconsequential banter, this is a good place for it.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Rising_Oil_Prices

I don’t have any answers for that question, maybe I just like a good old fashion debate about hockey. I said that once before on this site, and got called a psychopath. It’s quite a difficult place to speak an opinion. I don’t think that’s healthy. If I ran a fan site, I’d welcome fans from other teams. Let the players do the talking. Just how I see it.

This is not a hockey thread.

You should start a fan site and discuss all the hockey you want.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by getbak

In NHL history, 47 players have scored at least 100 points in a season and still been a minus player.

In 1989-90, Sakic had 102 points and was -40. In 1984-85, Mario had 100 points and was -33.

The most points scored in a season by a minus player was Mario in 1985-86, with 141 points and -8.

Also note that those seasons for Sakic and Lemieux were very early in their careers. Sakic was 20, and Lemieux was 19 and 20 in those seasons. By the time they were 26 they had a positive impact on winning teams. At the age of 26 Lemieux just won 2 Stanley Cups and a Conn Smythe as playoffs MVP. Sakic had just won his 1st Stanley Cup and also the Conn Smythe.

So, I guess we wait to see if McDavid can win the Conn Smythe this year. The difference between the teams that Lemieux and Sakic lead to the Cup vs the team the Oilers have is depth at all positions. Yes, it is harder to build that much depth in the cap era but it isn't difficult, unless you're Edmonton and we all know about Edmonton. E=NG.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Rising_Oil_Prices

McD was a plus 15 or something last year in the playoffs when it mattered most, and that was with Mike Smith in net. I haven’t checked but I’m sure Mario and Sakic were improved in that stat as well come playoff time. The narrative around here is that all McD cares about are his personal stats in the regular season. I do think he does care about that, despite how much he plays it off… because he’s driven to be the best… BUT he cares waaay more about winning a cup, and yes, that can be for selfish reasons as well. I’m not saying he isn’t selfish, but every player is to some degree.

If this is true, why did he sign in Edmonton for 8 of his prime years?

[gvitaly]

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[Reggie Dunlop]

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

The irrefutable fact that McDrai have won nothing team related, including playoff awards as well as any division championships says enough about their TEAM/winning contributions

They are great individual players. They excel at it.

But I think they lean so hard into individual milestones that it comes at the expense of defensive x and o's

They're literally floating in the neutral zone all the time, and only taking brief laps in the d-zone before resetting to their perch

And that one dimensional game reflects itself in the amount of team success, which had been limited

Problem for Edmonton is no one there is going to force them to do anything different so it's entirely up to them to expand their game and help the team to win by committing in the d zone

I don't think they ever will as long as they're in edm though

[sarge]

Originally Posted by Rising_Oil_Prices

Sure, but they didn’t get swept because of McDavid. You want it both ways, you say the team stinks and is held up by McDavid and Draisaitl, then in the same breath say Mcdavid doesn’t play an overall game and he’s not as good as everyone thinks. Which one is it? Honest question. I kinda think he’s better than most critics think, but the team isn’t as good around him. As an Oiler fan I see that, but I also think McDavid’s drive alone can get them to the cup finals this year. I don’t underestimate his abilities and drive.

It’s McHobo’s constant diving, embellishment and whining that are his greatest skills. Credit where credit is due. Not only is he generational, but undoubtedly the best ever…

[sarge]

McHobo’s incessant shaft grabbing is also next level…