American Politics 3.0 - Back to Brunch

[jammies]

"Woke mob" is not a term intended to provoke thoughtful debate, or any thought at all. There's considerable irony in using an emotionally loaded term to disparage people as being emotionally driven.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by driveway

The actual situation is more complex and, unfortunately, much worse.



So, the reason the students are walking out is due to the systemic racism that is negatively impacting them every single day, and the comment about the Black History Month program (which the school denies was ever made, to be fair) is the straw that broke the camel's back.

Source: AL.com article

Jeezus Christ.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Matata

What's the correct term for when people with extremely progressive opinions get together on social media and try and use their collective influence to ruin someones life for running afoul of their ideology?

I'd call it the conservative victimhood complex?

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[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I was interested in reading a specific example, all the "cancel culture" stuff I remember was for people who did some pretty ####ty things. That's not the result of a mob, that's them being ####ty people. So who has a legitimate gripe that they were "canceled" because someone disagreed with their ideology(keeping in mind if their ideology is ####ty, that makes them ####ty too).

To me the worst of it seems to come from the right, who have canceled access to abortions, cancelled responsible gun regulation, attempt to cancel legitimate healthcare(vaccines)and attempt to cancel any trans event they get a sniff of. Note none of these things they have succeeded in cancelling are because the people involved are ####ty. These are people trying to make the world a better place. But hey, it's only "extremely progressive" people that are the real problem here, so lets be sure to single them out.

So lets hear it, who has the left "cancelled" that wasn't just the case that reality caught up to ####ty people?

Scott Cawthon
https://www.thewrap.com/scott-cawtho...-trump-retire/

[White Out 403]

López Prater

https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...alse-diversity

How about Aziz Ansari? He had a bad date and was cancelled as a sex offender.

Louis CK jerked off in front of consenting people but was a monster because... he was ... a successful comic? And held power? He had to disappear for 2 years for his crimes.

I mean, this is a silly discussion. We could side track this thread for months posting examples.

edit: This a great one. A bakery was wrongfully accused of racism. The university had to pay millions in damages for their libel and slander. Still thinks they were in the right.

https://nypost.com/2022/12/16/oberli...abeled-racist/

People who take offense with the term "woke mob" totally fair. I knew what I was doing when I used it, and I can understand how it can seem divisive. But people who actually think this isn't a real thing going on, I have no idea how to even have a conversation with that level of head-in-sand.

[White Out 403]

#### ok I swear this is the last one, there's just so many great examples
https://www.latimes.com/entertainmen...-book-blowback

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

López Prater

https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...alse-diversity

How about Aziz Ansari? He had a bad date and was cancelled as a sex offender.

Yeah, he's been cancelled so hard that he's had two massively successful Netflix specials since the allegations. Also, most people were pretty quick to accept his version of events.

Louis CK jerked off in front of consenting people but was a monster because... he was ... a successful comic? And held power? He had to disappear for 2 years for his crimes.

Yes, Louis CK sexually harassed female colleagues of his and suffered consequences as a result. You'll find that many people who sexually harass their colleagues will face consequences as a result.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Yeah, he's been cancelled so hard that he's had two massively successful Netflix specials since the allegations. Also, most people were pretty quick to accept his version of events.

Was he or was he not removed from his show? Did he not have to take time away from comedy because of all the scandal?

Originally Posted by rubecube

Yes, Louis CK sexually harassed female colleagues of his and suffered consequences as a result. You'll find that many people who sexually harass their colleagues will faces consequences as a result.

OK so at least you can admit this one, I find your description of what Louis did as sexual harassment incorrect but sure, glad you can at least cop to this one.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

Was he or was he not removed from his show? Did he not have to take time away from comedy because of all the scandal?







OK so at least you can admit this one, I find your description of what Louis did as sexual harassment incorrect but sure, glad you can at least cop to this one.

Here's what Louis CK said he did wrong:

"At the time, I said to myself that what I did was okay because I never showed a woman my dick without asking first, which is also true,” C.K. wrote. “But what I learned later in life, too late, is that when you have power over another person, asking them to look at your dick isn’t a question. It’s a predicament for them. The power I had over these women is that they admired me. And I wielded that power irresponsibly.”

That's the very definition of harassment, and he had to learn a hard lesson. Should people have ignored it?

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[KootenayFlamesFan]

A sexual harassment consequence is a cancel/woke thing now?

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

A sexual harassment consequence is a cancel/woke thing now?

HR departments are a product of the woke mob.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

A sexual harassment consequence is now a cancel/woke thing now?

If it's not, then how can people claim victimhood? Those poor "conservatives" being victimized for simply doing awful things.

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[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

López Prater

https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...alse-diversity

How about Aziz Ansari? He had a bad date and was cancelled as a sex offender.

Louis CK jerked off in front of consenting people but was a monster because... he was ... a successful comic? And held power? He had to disappear for 2 years for his crimes, McCarthy being the ultimate in cancel culture.

I mean, this is a silly discussion. We could side track this thread for months posting examples.

edit: This a great one. A bakery was wrongfully accused of racism. The university had to pay millions in damages for their libel and slander. Still thinks they were in the right.

https://nypost.com/2022/12/16/oberli...abeled-racist/

People who take offense with the term "woke mob" totally fair. I knew what I was doing when I used it, and I can understand how it can seem divisive. But people who actually think this isn't a real thing going on, I have no idea how to even have a conversation with that level of head-in-sand.

People never used to care that pop stars slept with kids back in the 70's, didn't care if they beat their girlfriends or drunkenly exposed themselves, while in the 50's if you got caught being gay or had any vague left wing leanings you couldn't get a job anywhere.

The only thing that has changed is what people get offended by and the ease at which seemingly intelligent adults can broadcast their crappy offensive or just plain dumb opinions on twitter without realising that almost everyone reading it immediately thinks they are a ######bag once they read it, that's not a woke mob its just the opinion of the vast majority of the 'fans', Diaper Drawers Ted Nugent doesn't get cancelled because the only people that liked him in the first place are middle aged to elderly dudes with a right wing tendency anyway, Mumford and Sons have an audience of middle class vaguely leftish women, if Nugent suddenly tweeted Trump was a liar that Obama was the best President in his lifetime Assault weapons should be banned and abortion is a woman's right to chose he would be cancelled by the few hundred thousand twats that still like him

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Scott Cawthon
https://www.thewrap.com/scott-cawtho...-trump-retire/

I think it could be argued if you have financially supported the likes of Trump and McConnell, you are a ####ty person. McConnell in particular has been a driving force in the destruction of political norms, the Supreme Court, and enabled them to strike down Roe V Wade by putting in incompetent and evil people. Cawthon doesn't seem like a moron, so he must have been aware of these things, and gave them money to do it. That's a lot ####tier than uneducated Trump voters getting fleeced because they aren't smart enough to realize it.

[Harry Lime]

Al Franken was the best the Democrats had in terms of an honest politician, and he was cancelled because he mimed groping a woman on a plane, as a throwback to his time as a comedian. I would say that he was cancelled to make room for a candidate who was/is more palatable to the establishment.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by peter12

Jeezus Christ.

Go on....

[TorqueDog]

To be frank, the… ahem, “woke mob” (to use the term we’re working with here) really doesn’t seem to accomplish a whole hell of a lot except reduce the sympathy I have for whatever cause it is they’re f—king whining about. The majority of what gets attention these days is usually just exactly that, whining. If you see a “Person said X and Twitter is outraged” headline, yeah, it’s exactly that sort of thing. If there is another “woke mob” that we’re all discussing, I’m all ears, but as far as I can see, the whole mob can best be described as spoiled brats crying on social media that someone doesn’t mirror their exact feelings and opinions on something largely inconsequential.

For example, take Hogwarts Legacy… yes, the video game. People were targeting Twitch streamers who dared to play it because of the association of Harry Potter to J.K. Rowling, and calling for a boycott of the game. Seriously, it’s a video game, and these people need to get off their phones, go outside, and touch grass (or snow, as is seasonally appropriate).

[GGG]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

Was he or was he not removed from his show? Did he not have to take time away from comedy because of all the scandal?



OK so at least you can admit this one, I find your description of what Louis did as sexual harassment incorrect but sure, glad you can at least cop to this one.

He was not removed from his TV show unless you have evidence to contradict his and Netflix’s statements on it. He also wrote season 3 and directed multiple episodes.

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood...sari-character

Now you can argue that is what Aziz and Netflix had to say but that would be pure speculation on your part.

You’d also likely be wrong

https://screenrant.com/master-none-s...ri-dev-reason/

As in 2017 prior to the babe story he stated he didn’t have anything left to say about the character and hadn’t planned on coming back to Dev.

[AltaGuy]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

For example, take Hogwarts Legacy… yes, the video game. People were targeting Twitch streamers who dared to play it because of the association of Harry Potter to J.K. Rowling, and calling for a boycott of the game. Seriously, it’s a video game, and these people need to get off their phones, go outside, and touch grass (or snow, as is seasonally appropriate).

This basically sums up what I think of when I think of a "woke mob" - a bunch of largely inconsequential whining by simpletons. Meanwhile the videogame is massively popular and J.K. Rowling - the primary target of these dastardly buffoons - cries herself to sleep with her millions (billions?).

Their counterparts on the right have managed to stack the US Supreme Court and enact what amounts to minority rule in various places, but some people are obsessed with these ineffectual whiners for whatever reason.

[GirlySports]

How about Tim Allen? No longer Buzz Lightyear and sitcom cancelled? Other than supporting Trump I don't think he's said anything ####ty. Not like JK Rowlings transphobic tweets or Armie Hammers rape fetishes.