2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Why didn’t Edwards intervene?

He was probably on board and, obviously, signed off on the return for the Tkachuk trade as well as the contract extensions handed out. I would also bet he was well informed on the Kadri pursuit and the moves required to make it happen.

The course to stay in a competitive window, opposed to taking a step back, or full blown rebuild, was almost certainly set by Edwards and Flames ownership.

Hmmm.

Now he is stuck with untradable big dollar contracts and an extended coach whose style doesn't seem to match the roster Edwards allegedly oversaw the construction of... it's weird what decisions he cheaps-out on and which ones he gets ripped off on.

It's too incongruous to be true. The dude is a billionaire that has built or revived multiple larger businesses. I have a hard time believing he would cheap out on coach contracts during this team's last window, only to turn around and hand out big dollar contracts to old guys.

What a weird team the 22/23 Flames are.

I think a youth movement surrounding the big contracts we can't get rid of is the best way to create another window. Develop the young players to fill the holes - to develop them you need to be playing them.

I know they probably won't, but I hope they sell.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Hmmm.

Now he is stuck with untradable big dollar contracts and an extended coach whose style doesn't seem to match the roster Edwards allegedly oversaw the construction of... it's weird what decisions he cheaps-out on and which ones he gets ripped off on.

It's too incongruous to be true. The dude is a billionaire that has built or revived multiple larger businesses. I have a hard time believing he would cheap out on coach contracts during this team's last window, only to turn around and hand out big dollar contracts to old guys.

What a weird team the 22/23 Flames are.

I think a youth movement surrounding the big contracts we can't get rid of is the best way to create another window. Develop the young players to fill the holes - to develop them you need to be playing them.

I know they probably won't, but I hope they sell.

I think/hope you’re right on some young guys being added to the mix for next year.

I’m really not too sure what to expect though. Do they run back, basically, the same team next year and chalk this up to a team that just didn’t jell? Is there bounce back potential, similar to the Jets?

What I hope happens is that they change their approach and get guys locked into extensions this offseason, opposed to letting things go like they did with Gaudreau. You need an answer/commitment from specifically Lindholm this offseason. Preferably before the draft.

As for young guys, I think Pelletier here full time and hopefully Coronato.

[Goriders]

I don’t think they can afford the same team next year minus a handful of AHL players on ELCs and a few higher priced veterans leaving. Like Lucic.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I think/hope you’re right on some young guys being added to the mix for next year.

I’m really not too sure what to expect though. Do they run back, basically, the same team next year and chalk this up to a team that just didn’t jell? Is there bounce back potential, similar to the Jets?

What I hope happens is that they change their approach and get guys locked into extensions this offseason, opposed to letting things go like they did with Gaudreau. You need an answer/commitment from specifically Lindholm this offseason. Preferably before the draft.

As for young guys, I think Pelletier here full time and hopefully Coronato.

Yes, good asset management means they have to lock up key guys like Lindholm & Hanifin to reasonable length extensions or, as much as it would hurt, trade them.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Goriders

I don’t think they can afford the same team next year minus a handful of AHL players on ELCs and a few higher priced veterans leaving. Like Lucic.

To be able to run a full roster (13F, 7D, 2G) - the Flames need the Salary Cap to up to $84.6M. $84.6M would allow them to maintain what they have now, say goodbye to all expiring contracts and replace them with league minimum players (775K).

Pelletier - Kadri - Huberdeau
Mangiapane - Backlund - Coleman
Dube - Lindholm - Toffoli
Ruzicka - $775K - $775K
$775K

Hanifin - Andersson
Zadarov - Weegar
Kylington - Tanev
Gibson

Markstrom
Vladar

That would cost $84,513,333

So yeah, the Flames are in a brutal spot cap-wise next season.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

To be able to run a full roster (13F, 7D, 2G) - the Flames need the Salary Cap to up to $84.6M. $84.6M would allow them to maintain what they have now, say goodbye to all expiring contracts and replace them with league minimum players (775K).

Pelletier - Kadri - Huberdeau
Mangiapane - Backlund - Coleman
Dube - Lindholm - Toffoli
Ruzicka - $775K - $775K
$775K

Hanifin - Andersson
Zadarov - Weegar
Kylington - Tanev
Gibson

Markstrom
Vladar

That would cost $84,513,333

So yeah, the Flames are in a brutal spot cap-wise next season.

But they are better the year after when 3 of Hanifin, Toffoli, Lindholm and Tanev walk to free agency and sign elsewhere.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

But they are better the year after when 3 of Hanifin, Toffoli, Lindholm and Tanev walk to free agency and sign elsewhere.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Hot take, but I think Andersson and Hanifin are a poor top pairing, and it's a big reason for the frequent confusion on D, as those two are usually the guys out there losing their assignments

I think Rasmus would make a better forward quite frankly

And Hanifin has too many peaks and valleys in his game, often within the same game. Love his game at its peak but he's not there often enough

I think both guys would fetch a handsome return just because if the stats and reputations they have, and I would look at dealing at least one of them soon

The D is swinging well below its potential on paper so it's clear the mix just isn't right. Tanev and Weegar are individually bringing much more to the table defensively

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Hot take, but I think Andersson and Hanifin are a poor top pairing, and it's a big reason for the frequent confusion on D, as those two are usually the guys out there losing their assignments

I think Rasmus would make a better forward quite frankly

And Hanifin has too many peaks and valleys in his game, often within the same game. Love his game at its peak but he's not there often enough

I think both guys would fetch a handsome return just because if the stats and reputations they have, and I would look at dealing at least one of them soon

The D is swinging well below its potential on paper so it's clear the mix just isn't right. Tanev and Weegar are individually bringing much more to the table defensively

Tanev and Weegar are older. I wonder if Ras and Hanifin will be better than them when they reach that age. They have a couple of years to get there. I think Kylington is UFA in a year too. Hopefully Poirier is ready by then as Flames will need some ELCs to step up and fill big holes.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Toonage

A few soon to be disappointed GMs wondering if the Flames are going to become sellers

Maybe they can talk some sense into us?

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Hot take, but I think Andersson and Hanifin are a poor top pairing, and it's a big reason for the frequent confusion on D, as those two are usually the guys out there losing their assignments

I think Rasmus would make a better forward quite frankly

And Hanifin has too many peaks and valleys in his game, often within the same game. Love his game at its peak but he's not there often enough

I think both guys would fetch a handsome return just because if the stats and reputations they have, and I would look at dealing at least one of them soon

The D is swinging well below its potential on paper so it's clear the mix just isn't right. Tanev and Weegar are individually bringing much more to the table defensively

Hot take, I always thought the Flames should have turned Anderson into a goalie. He was fat in his draft year, so it’s probable it would have worked and then we wouldn’t be in this mess with Markstrom.

Sadly, no one listens to me.

[SaskyFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

But they are better the year after when 3 of Hanifin, Toffoli, Lindholm and Tanev walk to free agency and sign elsewhere.

Also Backlund and Zadorov in that group.

[Vinny01]

Looking at next year
Lindholm
Toffoli
Dube (RFA)
Backlund
Hanifin
Tanev
Zadorov
Kylington

That is a good chunk of some very important players that have expiring contracts. Some will be re-signed but who? I know some will disagree but I think Lindholm and Hanifin should be shopped. As I have said I do not think this team can afford more $8-9M per contracts for guys who will spend the bulk of those deals in their 30’s.

Dube likely will be a 4.5-6M player on a long term deal. Kylington is a toss up right now.

Toffoli has been underpaid on his current deal and the Flames should not be the team to give him a long term contract next year. 1-2 year deal I would welcome him back but he would be an interesting sell high candidate. The same exact comments can be made about Tanev.

Backlund likely re-signs on a team friendly deal to stay in Calgary.

Big decisions and the Lindholm/Hanifin trade which was a critical win that retooled this team has the ability to do that again.

[ComixZone]

Hanifin, Toffoli, Lindholm, and Tanev are our rebuild pieces. That’s three additional 1st round picks + some 2nd/3rd/other depth picks + probably some prospects.

I hope it begins in the off-season at the draft so we can gather 2023 picks.

/dream

[genetic_phreek]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Hanifin, Toffoli, Lindholm, and Tanev are our rebuild pieces. That’s three additional 1st round picks + some 2nd/3rd/other depth picks + probably some prospects.

I hope it begins in the off-season at the draft so we can gather 2023 picks.

/dream

I think it needs to start right now. Leverage teams that want to make a deep run. We're basically out of it at this point. Right now we would most likely need a .660 points percentage just to get to 96 points which is usually the standard to make playoffs.

There are currently only 5 teams that are over .660 points percentage. We don't look like we can or will be able to sustain that type of play for the rest of the season. It's done. Start now, continue off season, come back next year with a fresh start.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

I think it needs to start right now. Leverage teams that want to make a deep run. We're basically out of it at this point. Right now we would most likely need a .660 points percentage just to get to 96 points which is usually the standard to make playoffs.

There are currently only 5 teams that are over .660 points percentage. We don't look like we can or will be able to sustain that type of play for the rest of the season. It's done. Start now, continue off season, come back next year with a fresh start.

I was just going to type the same thing. We can't afford to extend them all, now is a great type to get an over payment for 2-3 of these players.

Sure the 1st might be late round, but serious contenders will have good ELC players to offer too. I could see at least two of our players getting multiple 1st and prospects (Lindy and Hanifin). Both are guys the Flames can't afford when they go UFA next year.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Hmmm.

Now he is stuck with untradable big dollar contracts and an extended coach whose style doesn't seem to match the roster Edwards allegedly oversaw the construction of... it's weird what decisions he cheaps-out on and which ones he gets ripped off on.

It's too incongruous to be true. The dude is a billionaire that has built or revived multiple larger businesses. I have a hard time believing he would cheap out on coach contracts during this team's last window, only to turn around and hand out big dollar contracts to old guys.

You've clearly never worked with or heard much about working at CNRL lol.

[Higginson03]

Would Canuck’s be willing to a Demko for Markstrom + +?

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Higginson03

Would Canuck’s be willing to a Demko for Markstrom + +?

I'm gonna go ahead and guess no.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

To be able to run a full roster (13F, 7D, 2G) - the Flames need the Salary Cap to up to $84.6M. $84.6M would allow them to maintain what they have now, say goodbye to all expiring contracts and replace them with league minimum players (775K).

Pelletier - Kadri - Huberdeau
Mangiapane - Backlund - Coleman
Dube - Lindholm - Toffoli
Ruzicka - $775K - $775K
$775K

Hanifin - Andersson
Zadarov - Weegar
Kylington - Tanev
Gibson

Markstrom
Vladar

That would cost $84,513,333

So yeah, the Flames are in a brutal spot cap-wise next season.

That’s why Markstrom gone and Wolf in would be great if it could work.

Duehr is ready to replace Lucic.

Maybe Zary is ready to make the jump or resign Ritchie and Lewis at league min.