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edslunch · 02-18-2023, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Aarongavey

He would be a pure rental as he is a UFA and we cannot re-sign him but I think our 2023 1st, Zary and Wolf for Meier and a 2025 3rd should get it done. Get Meier for the playoffs this year and some youth in 2025.

Top prospect, good prospect, and a 1st for a rental. Terrible idea

Aarongavey · 02-18-2023, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by edslunch

Top prospect, good prospect, and a 1st for a rental. Terrible idea

That offer would at least be competitive to get Meier

Sandman · 02-18-2023, 10:27 AM

Maybe Tre aquires him, and has a plan to get him signed before free agency. I would’nt part with those assets though.

really? · 02-18-2023, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Aarongavey

He would be a pure rental as he is a UFA and we cannot re-sign him but I think our 2023 1st, Zary and Wolf for Meier and a 2025 3rd should get it done. Get Meier for the playoffs this year and some youth in 2025.

If they do this the team has finally hit the bottom, which in the NHL translates to mediocrity in the present tense and no degree of hope for the future. Hopefully such a move with the predictable results would force ownership to acknowledge the obvious, and a new direction would be mandated. This team isn't a Timo Meier away from success, much like last year's team wasn't a Tyler Toffoli or Calle Jarnkrok short of competing. Last year the deals made sense as the future of Gaudreau and Tkachuk were intertwined with the potential outcome of the season, but this year's team lacks that dynamic and has failed to show the potential of last year's squad.

I get it, the reason we're fans is to enjoy the success of the team we invest time in supporting, but there's a point where hope becomes the enemy of reason. Living for the moment is great, but eventually the bill comes due when you sacrifice the future to chase something in the present and the longer this team fails to acknowledge that reality, the higher that bill is going to be.

dammage79 · 02-18-2023, 10:44 AM

Not that I don't want a Timo Meir on the Flames but how on earth can that be of benefit in any scenario long term or short term? I don't see it. I'd die if they gave up the stupid amount of assets in that it would take in a bidding war. Then to completely hamstring any long term outlook for the franchise. You really put the Flames in a bad spot with a Meir acquisition. Don't see any upside with it.

Aarongavey · 02-18-2023, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by really?

If they do this the team has finally hit the bottom, which in the NHL translates to mediocrity in the present tense and no degree of hope for the future. Hopefully such a move with the predictable results would force ownership to acknowledge the obvious, and a new direction would be mandated. This team isn't a Timo Meier away from success, much like last year's team wasn't a Tyler Toffoli or Calle Jarnkrok short of competing last year. Last year the deals made sense as the future of Gaudreau and Tkachuk were intertwined with the potential outcome of the season, but this year's team lacks that dynamic and has failed to show the potential of last year's squad.

I get it, the reason we're fans is to enjoy the success of the team we invest time in supporting, but there's a point where hope becomes the enemy of reason. Living for the moment is great, but eventually the bill comes due when you sacrifice the future to chase something in the present and the longer this team fails to acknowledge that reality, the higher that bill is going to be.

Don’t get me wrong, now is definitely the time to sell assets at this deadline. Guys that give you two playoff runs on good contracts would command a real good return.

That being said, it is probably more likely that they are buyers at the deadline not sellers.

Poe969 · 02-18-2023, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Aarongavey

He would be a pure rental as he is a UFA and we cannot re-sign him but I think our 2023 1st, Zary and Wolf for Meier and a 2025 3rd should get it done. Get Meier for the playoffs this year and some youth in 2025.

He's an RFA not UFA but he has Tkachuk type qualifying offer at 10 million or so. They Flames can't afford to add a contract like that going forward.

Either way, the deal you're proposing is our top 2 prospects and a first that is likely around the middle of the round in a deep draft and then say "some youth in 2025". This team has almost no good prospects and not a lot of picks, how do you trade 2 of the only good prospects t's and a pick and then play youth in the future.

Meier would be a great add.to a good team, this team is not a good enough team to make that deal. They're closer to Bedard than Stanley, they should be selling not buys.

dammage79 · 02-18-2023, 10:48 AM

The Devils will get Meir. And all will be okay. They have all the party pieces for that to happen and truck along merrily long term.

jg13 · 02-18-2023, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by dammage79

the devils will get meir. And all will be okay. They have all the party pieces for that to happen and truck along merrily long term.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1626244253650231297

really? · 02-18-2023, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Don’t get me wrong, now is definitely the time to sell assets at this deadline. Guys that give you two playoff runs on good contracts would command a real good return.

That being said, it is probably more likely that they are buyers at the deadline not sellers.

Unfortunately, history suggests you are correct about being buyers. As a fan my greatest fear is that the apathy that is beginning to take root will only intensify if the team doesn't establish a path and identity beyond being one of the teams that gets into the playoffs in a "somebody has to get in," world, and then hopes that "anything can happen." Perhaps that is part of being a fan to some, (and I'm not knocking that, they're a fan and entitled to follow the team as they deem appropriate) but that is nothing more than frustration from my perspective.

dammage79 · 02-18-2023, 10:59 AM

I look at the top 16 of this draft and pray to the gods the Flames aren't buyers. You can land any number of stellar players. Snaging a dropping Michkov? Yeah okay, maybe get high enough to snag a Leo Carlsson? Yes please.

Jiri Hrdina · 02-18-2023, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by dammage79

I look at the top 16 of this draft and pray to the gods the Flames aren't buyers. You can land any number of stellar players. Snaging a dropping Michkov? Yeah okay, maybe get high enough to snag a Leo Carlsson? Yes please.

That probably means getting into the top 10 for any chance at Michkov but even then not sure the Flames are an organization that takes that risk.
Though I think he goes earlier. I think if CBJ doesn't get a top 3 pick they take the risk on him. I think San Jose also would strongly consider him. So I think he's of the board by 6 or 7.
Carlsson would mean getting into the top 3.
I think the top 3 have distanced themselves: Bedard, Fantilli and Carlsson.
Michkov is the wild card but on talent alone is still #2 for me.

I have Will Smith #5.

Naitix · 02-18-2023, 11:33 AM

Wolf should not be touched considering how terrible our goalies are. It finally looks like we have an amazing goalie prospect that has star potential and trading him would be stupid, no matter for who. He is my number #1 un-tradeable asset.

CFO · 02-18-2023, 11:34 AM

Flames should not be buyer or seller at the TDL.

If they don't make it this season - off load guys in offseason.

Jiri Hrdina · 02-18-2023, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by CFO

Flames should not be buyer or seller at the TDL.

If they don't make it this season - off load guys in offseason.

That's my read too. The work comes in the off-season.

flambers · 02-18-2023, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by CFO

Flames should not be buyer or seller at the TDL.

If they don't make it this season - off load guys in offseason.

Not buyers in terms of rentals, plus they don't have allot to sell

They should however look to acquire a forward who is under contract (i.e. some one with control)

Not sure if its available,

dammage79 · 02-18-2023, 11:45 AM

I mean if the Flames kind of go dumpster diving on some buy low options like Puljujarvi or the likes. All the power, do some pre shopping on building out next seasons group since they'll have to tinker a lot .

Sandman · 02-18-2023, 12:09 PM

For all of you that want Tre to stand pat: What happens if we start peaking before the playoffs start, and make it in with a full head of steam? The same people who are saying, “they haven’t done enough to earn help at the deadline” will be complaining about the team’s lack of depth when we lose a few guys, then bow out. Of course Tre will make a move or two before the deadline, especially considering how the Kings looked before the playoffs began, that year they squeeked in and won it all. Anything CAN happen.

dissentowner · 02-18-2023, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I have Will Smith #5.

I had no idea he could skate. On the other hand once Looch is gone we will need someone on the roster to slap the #### out of anyone out of line.

saillias · 02-18-2023, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by CFO

Flames should not be buyer or seller at the TDL.

If they don't make it this season - off load guys in offseason.

Not sure how that makes sense. Prices are highest now and Brad can offer more than just rentals, our interesting assets have a full year after this. Business is slower and less of a seller's market in the summer. You wait until the off season you're shaving time and value off them. You're also competing with any UFAs left without a contract. If a GM calls a team in July and offer Hanifin or Toffoli or Lindholm with a trade deadline price tag there will still be interest but they will wait and see what happens next year. Then you have to wait for the 2024 trade deadline.