Huberdeau's agent: "Negativity sucks the joy right out of players"

[Toonage]

Sort of related but did anyone see the clip from Dave Hakstol yesterday? Basically said that the team is doing well because the give a #### factor is high. They like playing for one another. Feels like the direct opposite of what is happening here.

[Major Major]

Short shelf life Sutter nearly tripling the shelf life of the average coach and having a longer shelf life than any coach in flames history is peak CP.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Sort of related but did anyone see the clip from Dave Hakstol yesterday? Basically said that the team is doing well because the give a #### factor is high. They like playing for one another. Feels like the direct opposite of what is happening here.

Most of those players were there for day 1 of the team. They're all there building something from the ground up.

Flames? Nah. The Flames go pay top dollar for whatever falls onto the market and expects the hired mercs to come together and be a "team".

[Winsor_Pilates]

Just when I thought I couldn't like Huberdeau any less.
He's not only an underachieving floater, he's an underachieving floater who's not having enough fun for $84M; poor baby.

Sutter deserves critism this year for sure, he had made some strange roster decisions and comments, but he's not the excuse for Huberdeau.
Walsh is just trying to give his client an excuse that doesn't start with owning up to his own suck.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Why do we have to take sides? How does that have any effect on anything?

This is how I feel.

Sutter has been most successful when he gets great goaltending. Offensive players can flourish under him and his system. He can be hard on players.

Huberdeau is having a down year, having a tough time adjusting, and maybe having confidence issues. The pressure is on him and the contract number is a weight at the moment. His agent just tried to deflect for him.

I find it hard to assign more blame to one side than the other.

[SuperMatt18]

It is a bit weird. Huberdeau and his agent are probably the last people that should be pointing fingers right now.

But I also dont think the critique is unwarranted or unfounded. There is lot of smoke about a lot of players in that room not liking the coaches tactics right now.

I think in the end the three biggest issues for the Flames this year have been:

-Markstrom
-Huberdeau's Offensive Production (he's actually been solid defensively)
- Sutter's lack of adjustments and overall player usage going back to the Oilers series (and maybe his overall attitude at this point)

Honestly those three all share equal blame in the season this year IMO

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Man 11 pages of people literally reposting their exact same thoughts that they've had for months.

How fun!

To me it's all of it.

Sutter can be a prick to play for.
Huberdeau is having a terrible season and has to take some blame for it.
Walsh is a pain in the ass agent that generally steps on his own appendage on social media.

Calgary's best players haven't been all that "best" this year, and its killing them.

I think most people would agree that it's all of it. However you can't get rid of all of it and start from a clean slate. Most of the roster isn't going anywhere so the organization has to look elsewhere to fixing the issues and that means coaching and/or management changes. Some of this is out of the Flames control as Treliving can make the managment change all by himself if he chooses to leave.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Sort of related but did anyone see the clip from Dave Hakstol yesterday? Basically said that the team is doing well because the give a #### factor is high. They like playing for one another. Feels like the direct opposite of what is happening here.

I haven't seen many nights this year where I'd say the team isn't fully invested.

It's a talented not being talented issue, not work ethic in my opinion.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

It is a bit weird. Huberdeau and his agent are probably the last people that should be pointing fingers right now.

But I also dont think the critique is unwarranted or unfounded. There is lot of smoke about a lot of players in that room not liking the coaches tactics right now.

I think in the end the three biggest issues for the Flames this year have been:

-Markstrom
-Huberdeau's Offensive Production (he's actually been solid defensively)
- Sutter's lack of adjustments and overall player usage going back to the Oilers series (and maybe his overall attitude at this point)

Honestly those three all share equal blame in the season this year IMO

Do you honestly think Huberdeau has been excellent defensively, or he's been on when things haven't gone poorly?

That's not being snarky, but defensive stats are line wide and I just don't see him doing all that much to break up plays, get the puck out of his own zone, or lead things in transition.

I think you need three forwards to create offensively and get expected goals up, but not sure you need all three to win on defensive metrics.

I just haven't seen it.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Major Major

I'd bring in Babcock just to mess with them.

What is the point of having well paid hockey players to cheer for if it is not to begrudge them for making that money and hoping their coach is an #######? We are Flames fans for Christ sake, it is not like we expect them to win the Stanley Cup.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I think most people would agree that it's all of it. However you can't get rid of all of it and start from a clean slate. Most of the roster isn't going anywhere so the organization has to look elsewhere to fixing the issues and that means coaching and/or management changes. Some of this is out of the Flames control as Treliving can make the managment change all by himself if he chooses to leave.

Personally I find this all pretty interesting in a macabre kind of way.

Treliving not extended. Leaving?
Sutter recent extended. Staying?
Huberdeau long term expensive contract. Staying?

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I haven't seen many nights this year where I'd say the team isn't fully invested.

It's a talented not being talented issue, not work ethic in my opinion.

Sure, thats part of it. But to echo comments from Pinder or even Krahn last night on AfterBurner, does anyone on this team (aside from Markstrom) show any emotion? Any anger?

[Major Major]

At the beginning of the year he said he admired the lightning because they would block shots with their faces to win and he admired Sutter because he knew how to win and this gave everyone good feelings because it told everyone that he wants to win.

Haven't seen a lot of shot blocks...

[Badgers Nose]

In trying to recover from our two stars leaving this team took the express lane to become a #### show. I honestly did not see that coming. I liked the new players and the extension at the time.

This is going to be an expensive mess to fix if things keep heading in this direction.

[TheIronMaiden]

Huderdeau is a thief. 10.5M is 6 million to much for what he brings.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Sure, thats part of it. But to echo comments from Pinder or even Krahn last night on AfterBurner, does anyone on this team (aside from Markstrom) show any emotion? Any anger?

Kadri gets pissed off alot. But he should with how many horrible giveaways that led to goals against he's committed.

[Aarongavey]

I think today will be when you see a lot of former players talking about how great it is to play for Darryl. He has coached for a long time and there are a lot of guys who fondly remember him and will come to his defence on twitter.

[keenan87]

Anymore fuel to this fire yet by reporters? I want to see chaos - then changes.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Do you honestly think Huberdeau has been excellent defensively, or he's been on when things haven't gone poorly?

That's not being snarky, but defensive stats are line wide and I just don't see him doing all that much to break up plays, get the puck out of his own zone, or lead things in transition.

I think you need three forwards to create offensively and get expected goals up, but not sure you need all three to win on defensive metrics.

I just haven't seen it.

I dont think he's Patrice Bergeron or anything.

But I have seen a guy that is trying hard defensively, who is not cheating his defensive responsibilities, and who is generally in the right position defensively to break up plays.

And his defensive metrics support that - near the best on the team in GA/60, xGA/60, and HDCA/60.

There has been a clear attention to detail on defense in his play since game 1 this season.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Huderdeau is a thief. 10.5M is 6 million to much for what he brings.

Did you think this last year too?