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Old 02-17-2023, 07:05 AM   #181
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No one saw this coming. No one. Sutter still remains a dinosaur getting a team of modern athletes to try and play a style of hockey that doesn't work in this league. The only success this team has had is when the top line from last year's squad went lone wolf and exploited their skills. Sutter is not a good coach in the latest iteration of hockey. Everything he does counters playing with speed and tempo, counters quick transition, counters using open ice, and counters creativity. You can count on one hand the players who are actually playing well. You need both hands and have to take a shoe and sock off to count the players who are just okay to disappointing. Sutter has always had a best before date and that date has passed. Time to fire him into the sun. If Treliving can't figure this out, like right now, then he should have a seat right next to Sutter in the nosecone of Parker Solar Probe II.
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I don't think you need to fire Treliving, there are enough rumours surrounding his future.
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Old 02-17-2023, 07:08 AM   #183
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No one saw this coming. No one. Sutter still remains a dinosaur getting a team of modern athletes to try and play a style of hockey that doesn't work in this league. The only success this team has had is when the top line from last year's squad went lone wolf and exploited their skills. Sutter is not a good coach in the latest iteration of hockey. Everything he does counters playing with speed and tempo, counters quick transition, counters using open ice, and counters creativity. You can count on one hand the players who are actually playing well. You need both hands and have to take a shoe and sock off to count the players who are just okay to disappointing. Sutter has always had a best before date and that date has passed. Time to fire him into the sun. If Treliving can't figure this out, like right now, then he should have a seat right next to Sutter in the nosecone of Parker Solar Probe II.
Brad does not have the authority to fire Darryl. He did not have the authority to hire him (and was not the guy who hired him) and he does not have the authority to fire him. Sad but true.

We are entering the Ballard/Imlach 79-80 years but for the Flames. Should be a wild ride.
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Old 02-17-2023, 07:09 AM   #184
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It should be joyless right now. They suck. I'd be pissed if they were getting joy out of this. Shut up and score. How many times has the puck found its way to Huberdeau's stick only to die immediately? 75% of all the time? This is Sutter's fault somehow? Because he's not joyful? Give me a break Walsh and give me a break Sutter haters of CP. Dude has only himself to blame for this season. And if times are tough, look to the guy next to you and dig the #### out. Don't go to your agent and say hey can you fight this battle for me.

I'm not going to sit here and say Sutter has had a perfect season, but at the end of the day, this team plays well enough that if the team's 2 superstars didn't absolutely have a mental collapse this season, we'd be on top of the division. Their analytics are good - great in every area except save percentage and number of plays Huberdeau's didn't screw up percentage.

People's heads are going to explode when the flames do the right thing and show patience to the coach and tell huberdeau to show a little meddle and deal with it.
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Old 02-17-2023, 07:11 AM   #185
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I would be on board.
I think a complete house cleaning is what this organization needs. Some fresh eyes that aren't attached to any of the players, prospects, coaches, managers, and scouts. What's Maloney doing? Is Conny really management material? What's Gelinas doing? Why is Sigalet still employed? Is it time to move on from Button? You can change the coach for immediate results in the for a period of time but as long as the same people are making calls on roster building, scouting, etc, I don't expect the organization to climb out of their several decade run of mediocrity.
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The narrative that last year's team didn't play an uptempo modern style of game throughout the lineup and Sutter coached them to be slow but 2 players on contract years flipped him the bird and said we do it our way is so freaking stupid I can't even fathom it. You'd have to have a mix of I fell off a roof but still have opinions amnesia and Brett Einstein I'm a scientist who can't read a scientific paper so everything is a conspiracy thinking to believe this.
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Old 02-17-2023, 07:23 AM   #187
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I think Walsh gets into the sauce and drunk tweets. He doesn’t help his clients with this kind of nonsense.
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Old 02-17-2023, 07:27 AM   #188
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No one saw this coming. No one. Sutter still remains a dinosaur getting a team of modern athletes to try and play a style of hockey that doesn't work in this league. The only success this team has had is when the top line from last year's squad went lone wolf and exploited their skills. Sutter is not a good coach in the latest iteration of hockey. Everything he does counters playing with speed and tempo, counters quick transition, counters using open ice, and counters creativity. You can count on one hand the players who are actually playing well. You need both hands and have to take a shoe and sock off to count the players who are just okay to disappointing. Sutter has always had a best before date and that date has passed. Time to fire him into the sun. If Treliving can't figure this out, like right now, then he should have a seat right next to Sutter in the nosecone of Parker Solar Probe II.
Total fabrication.
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The problems of this team extend well beyond Huberdeau. Few are playing well and the team is fragile, disinterested and pretty damn emotionless. It has gone sour and I am much more inclined to point a finger at the coach than 15 players. I don't know how it worked last year, but I don't see a team playing the same game and I think Sutter made that decision to play the game they are playing and it hasn't worked. And he has not adapted. I think the game has passed him by as well.
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Old 02-17-2023, 07:30 AM   #190
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So last year Darryl system was fine and helped the Flames have their best season in how long? This year he is washed up and can't adjust? Interesting.
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^ No, last year one line had a great season, the starting goaltender was good for a chunk of the year and no, he did not adjust when it mattered in round 2 against Edmonton.
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Old 02-17-2023, 07:35 AM   #192
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I said it right around the time Sutter made comments about Huberdeau "taking a ___" that it pissed off the entire room heard from a players mouth himself.

This team was over Sutter's hard ass antics 20 games into the season, to say it hasn't gotten any better would be the understatement of 2023.

This team is cooked. Expiring GM contract and a Coach who was picked by Ownership who has lost the respect of almost the entire room.
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I think a complete house cleaning is what this organization needs. Some fresh eyes that aren't attached to any of the players, prospects, coaches, managers, and scouts. What's Maloney doing? Is Conny really management material? What's Gelinas doing? Why is Sigalet still employed? Is it time to move on from Button? You can change the coach for immediate results in the for a period of time but as long as the same people are making calls on roster building, scouting, etc, I don't expect the organization to climb out of their several decade run of mediocrity.
I totally agree with nuking it all from top to bottom as well. But I feel like ownership is the bigger problem here. The "We're going to spend to the cap every year and try and make the playoffs" attitude. Look at this current Flames team, it's just mostly a team cobbled together of players we've acquired not players we've developed in our system. The two that we developed into superstars decided to leave for whatever reason.

Last summer was the perfect opportunity to rebuild. The fanbase would have understood. When Gaudreau left and Tkachuk decided to call it quits, knowing the players available in this draft, this was the year to throw in the towel and I think the fanbase would have understood. Any of the top 5 players would be amazing pieces to have for the rebuild. But no, we decided to push our friggin chips all in to try and make the playoffs again. So what do we get? A total mid team that might JUST miss the playoffs and then what? We'll be picking 16th?

It's a total joke. I've not been so frustrated ever as a Flames fan. Living in Europe, I stay up till 5-6am each game day to follow this team, but after the last two games, I've decided my sleep schedule is more important than watching this team.
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I said it right around the time Sutter made comments about Huberdeau "taking a ___" that it pissed off the entire room heard from a players mouth himself.

This team was over Sutter's hard ass antics 20 games into the season, to say it hasn't gotten any better would be the understatement of 2023.

This team is cooked. Expiring GM contract and a Coach who was picked by Ownership who has lost the respect of almost the entire room.
I just don’t understand why the players don’t want to play for him. I know if I was looking for a job and went to a corporate office and they said “that guy right there, screaming at a subordinate in his office and throw his garbage can against the wall” will be your boss and I asked “does he do that every day?” And they said “yes” I would try to get that company to hire me for life.
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Old 02-17-2023, 07:40 AM   #195
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I like it. Makes both sides look foolish and adds fuel to the fire. I hope this explodes.
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I said it right around the time Sutter made comments about Huberdeau "taking a ___" that it pissed off the entire room heard from a players mouth himself.

This team was over Sutter's hard ass antics 20 games into the season, to say it hasn't gotten any better would be the understatement of 2023.

This team is cooked. Expiring GM contract and a Coach who was picked by Ownership who has lost the respect of almost the entire room.
It was a joke. Unfunny, awkward, bad comedic timing. Check, check, check. But if you're telling me there's no way back from that and the team quit on him and themselves and the fans in that moment, we need a new team.
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Old 02-17-2023, 07:42 AM   #197
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People saying Sutters system working fine last season. Well huberdeau scored 115 points last season.

Maybe neither one are the problem on their own but they just dont work together.

If that is the case, sutter is easier to get rid of the huberdeau.

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So last year Darryl system was fine and helped the Flames have their best season in how long? This year he is washed up and can't adjust? Interesting.
Last year Johnny put up career numbers on a contract year, and because he enjoyed playing for the Jack Adams winning coach so much he then signed in Columbus.

Chucky also loved playing for the coach so much, after having a successful season that he informed the team he would not re-sign.

If Darryl gets the credit for last year's success, he also deserves the responsibility for the results since the playoffs ended.

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I think he was taking a ####. I couldn't imagine being so upset over something like that. He should of said his game looks like he's taking a #### on the ice.
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I think Walsh just put to "paper" what we are all seeing and hearing. Something is very wrong in the room.

Pair this with Tanevs post game interview and the picture becomes really clear.
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