Shooting took place at two locations: an academic building (Berkely Hall) and the Student Union. One shooter, still at large. 3 fatalities, 5 more victims taken to hospital.
I know you're joking that things are getting better but 67 in 44 days is in pace for over 500 this year.
Sorry was half asleep when I read that, thought it said 37 in 44 days.
Regardless, this thread will never end, the states don't care about these events, doesn't matter how many there are it won't stop. Feel sorry for the individuals but have lost all sympathy for the nation.
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Had a funny short conversation with a guy from Montana tonight about the gun problems in America, his stance was the hard right with a smirk "gun rights are in our constitution, it's who we are" mumbo jumbo. I quickly looked on google and pointed out the US constitution has been changed 23 times since 1787 why couldn't the 2nd amendment be changed to more modern times? after all todays guns are far from one shot muskets now days.
The guy literally turned around and walked away without an answer or even a f*** y** look.
Had a funny short conversation with a guy from Montana tonight about the gun problems in America, his stance was the hard right with a smirk "gun rights are in our constitution, it's who we are" mumbo jumbo. I quickly looked on google and pointed out the US constitution has been changed 23 times since 1787 why couldn't the 2nd amendment be changed to more modern times? after all todays guns are far from one shot muskets now days.
The guy literally turned around and walked away without an answer or even a f*** y** look.
Doesn’t the constitution refer to guns for the military? Anyway, the right of people to survive should trump (sorry for the word) the right to kill people anyway.
Had a funny short conversation with a guy from Montana tonight about the gun problems in America, his stance was the hard right with a smirk "gun rights are in our constitution, it's who we are" mumbo jumbo. I quickly looked on google and pointed out the US constitution has been changed 23 times since 1787 why couldn't the 2nd amendment be changed to more modern times? after all todays guns are far from one shot muskets now days.
The guy literally turned around and walked away without an answer or even a f*** y** look.
Someone more knowledgable than me can correct me if I'm wrong, but an American friend once put it like this:
"It's the second amendment... It can be amended again"
Which I always thought was funny, since the gun nuts believe it's so enshrined.
Had a funny short conversation with a guy from Montana tonight about the gun problems in America, his stance was the hard right with a smirk "gun rights are in our constitution, it's who we are" mumbo jumbo. I quickly looked on google and pointed out the US constitution has been changed 23 times since 1787 why couldn't the 2nd amendment be changed to more modern times? after all todays guns are far from one shot muskets now days.
Gun rights were established through an AMENMENT to the constitution. Yes, a change to the constitution was required to protect gun rights. The Bill of Rights - the first ten amendments to the constitution - were changes after the initial drafting of the constitution.
Most people do not know what the constitution is. It was not drafted as a means to protect citizens, it was drafted as framework of how the United States government would function. The body of the constitution speaks to how the various bodies of government work and the rules by which each body would operate. Individual protections were added after the fact and were rushed to be added so the document could be accepted and ratified. Ironically, there have been 27 amendments to the constitution and even the intent and purpose of those amendments have changed.
The 14th amendment was established to protect freed slaves and guarantee them the same rights as other freed men. Since it was adopted it has changed from its original intent and has become the foundation for protecting corporations and giving them the rights as "persons". This is where interpretation of the constitution becomes so important and can alter the intent of the amendment.
Amendments can be nullified and altered. The 18th amendment prohibited the sale of alcohol which gave rise to organized crime during the 1920s. The 21st amendment ended prohibition and voided the 18th amendment, making it the only amendment in the constitution to struck from affect. This action is the one that anyone who favors gun control should be aware of and hold high. Changes can be made to the constitution and amendments can be voided should they do harm to the common good. The protections afforded by the common good are doing harm and the amendment needs to be voided so it is more representative of modern technology and weapons.
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The guy literally turned around and walked away without an answer or even a f*** y** look.
Obvious one of the staunch conservative constitutionalists. ;-)
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Doesn’t the constitution refer to guns for the military? Anyway, the right of people to survive should trump (sorry for the word) the right to kill people anyway.
The Second Amendment: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Some history on militias and the need for them. In the early months of the American Revolution, the first regular U.S. fighting force, the Continental Army, was organized by the Second Continental Congress on June 14, 1775. It comprised the 22,000 militia troops then besieging Boston and an additional 5,000 militiamen in New York. These were all volunteers and not professional soldiers. Militias were these loose collectives of volunteers and representative of states more so than the United States (which did not exist yet). Washington recommended a national standing army but that was defeated and the entire continental army was disbanded 1783, reverting back to strictly local state militias. Only with the creation and ratification of the constitution did the concept of a national army final come into being. The states still blocked the formation of a large national army and chose to protect their militias. It took decades and multiple wars before what we know as the current US military to develop and a true national fighting force to be borne. The ideal of the militia still exists today in what each state refers to as the National Guard. The loose militias we see around the country now are outlaw elements and not affiliated directly with any military nor afforded protections under the actual text of the constitution. Any protections are afforded to the individuals and through the Bill of Rights.
The short answer to your question is, its more complicated than you think for all the reasons listed above.
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Doesn’t the constitution refer to guns for the military? Anyway, the right of people to survive should trump (sorry for the word) the right to kill people anyway.
the people can become its own military to protect themselves
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