2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by boogerz

The current Flames defense is one of the lightest d corps that Sutter has coached in the past 25 years. The average weight is 210lbs with everyone except Gilbert and Zadorov weighing less than the average (Zadorov is that massive). If you add in Kylington, it becomes the lightest d corps that Sutter has coached since the late 90s.

The last time Sutter won the cup, the average weight on the backend was 220lbs with Voynov being the only dman under 210lbs.

Maybe there is some fire to the Weegar rumor if Weegar can return an upgrade at one of the forward wing spots while Treliving adds more size to the backend via Schenn.


I don't agree with trading Weegar, but he is relatively small and not a Sutter player.

You can’t trade Weegar for a “make us better now” player. It’s picks, prospects, and cap dumps or just keep Weegar.

Why do you say Weegar isn’t a Sutter player? He’s probably one of the most Sutter players on the team.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Why do you say Weegar isn’t a Sutter player? He’s probably one of the most Sutter players on the team.

I think Lucic wins that trophy. Wherein lies the problem.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

Still don't get some people's desire to fire Sutter.

Literally give the Flames even slightly-below average goaltending and they're comfortably in a Playoff spot.

I'm not down to fire the GOAT Flames coach just because Markstrom has been ####.

Wish I could thank this post 1000 times.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Now that's a whole different discussion.

DeBrincat for Weegar ... then sure, especially if Debrincat comes with an extension.

Weegar for 1st + Zaitsev... no thank you.

Would the Flames want to acquire a winger that is smaller than Gaudreau and need to pay a similar $9.75M salary to keep him? His age is solid as he just turned 25 and he could be the ideal trigger man for Huberdeau but his size and $9M QO are scary things to consider if moving Weegar out for him. I assume it would need to be Weegar +

Also Ottawa doesn’t have cap issues in a Weegar/Debrincat swap so not sure why they would need to move out Zaitsev?

[boogerz]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

You can’t trade Weegar for a “make us better now” player. It’s picks, prospects, and cap dumps or just keep Weegar.

Why do you say Weegar isn’t a Sutter player? He’s probably one of the most Sutter players on the team.

My statement is based on Sutter's poor utilization of Weegar. Weegar's underlying defensive stats are good, but he doesn't rush the puck, pinch, play on the PP, or look nearly as offensively engaged as he did in Florida.

If Sutter was a Weegar fan, he'd be getting all of the prime opportunities to prove himself like Lucic or Andersson do, right?

[kobasew19]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

Still don't get some people's desire to fire Sutter.

Literally give the Flames even slightly-below average goaltending and they're comfortably in a Playoff spot.

I'm not down to fire the GOAT Flames coach just because Markstrom has been ####.

Because Sutter is the one who's deciding to start Markstrom instead of going with Vladar.

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

Still don't get some people's desire to fire Sutter.

Literally give the Flames even slightly-below average goaltending and they're comfortably in a Playoff spot.

I'm not down to fire the GOAT Flames coach just because Markstrom has been ####.

You do realize that it is in fact the coach who is continuing to go back to Markstrom, right? That's on nobody but him. Dan Vladar has indeed provided this club league average goaltending - he's just not starting.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

You do realize that it is in fact the coach who is continuing to go back to Markstrom, right? That's on nobody but him. Dan Vladar has indeed provided this club league average goaltending - he's just not starting.

Just another example of Sutter’s bewildering deployment of assets. One almost wonders if the tension between management and the coaching staff is because Sutter is being pushed to showcase Markstrom/try to prove that he’s still got it in spite of his poor first half of the season, to make him more tradeable in the offseason.

Having said that, I’m pretty sure Sutter would tell Flames’ management they could stick such a request up one of his bulls’ backsides.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

You do realize that it is in fact the coach who is continuing to go back to Markstrom, right? That's on nobody but him. Dan Vladar has indeed provided this club league average goaltending - he's just not starting.

That is not a Darryl decision. Darryl makes the good decisions.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Would the Flames want to acquire a winger that is smaller than Gaudreau and need to pay a similar $9.75M salary to keep him? His age is solid as he just turned 25 and he could be the ideal trigger man for Huberdeau but his size and $9M QO are scary things to consider if moving Weegar out for him. I assume it would need to be Weegar +

Also Ottawa doesn’t have cap issues in a Weegar/Debrincat swap so not sure why they would need to move out Zaitsev?

Multiple 40g seasons 25 yr old Rightshot winger locked up for 9x8. Who cares how big he is? Gaudreau is gone so it's not like you have 2 small guys in your top 6 anyways. Weegar is good but I would definitely give him up for Cat.

Seems like an offseason move though and you need to know that Kylington is coming back.

I would also consider Batherson if that was an option

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

Still don't get some people's desire to fire Sutter.

Literally give the Flames even slightly-below average goaltending and they're comfortably in a Playoff spot.

I'm not down to fire the GOAT Flames coach just because Markstrom has been ####.

Every team can say this though. I'm sure the Panthers think they would've made several long playoff runs if they hadn't gotten 4.5 years of garbage Bob. Or Ottawa / Colombus thinking they'd be in the playoff hunt only to have several young guys regress or not take the next step and find themselves at the bottom again.

Doesn't excuse Sutter using him though.

[FlamesAddiction]

I am inclined to think Pagnotta heard something regarding Weegar. Whether that source is good or not, who knows.

It would be such a weird move to make, that it seems like an odd limb to go out on if you were just throwing darts.

If the deal was right, I'd trade him. Not that I am really that disappointed in him or the contract, but no one on this team should be untouchable at this point.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by traptor

Multiple 40g seasons 25 yr old Rightshot winger locked up for 9x8. Who cares how big he is? Gaudreau is gone so it's not like you have 2 small guys in your top 6 anyways. Weegar is good but I would definitely give him up for Cat.

Seems like an offseason move though and you need to know that Kylington is coming back.

I would also consider Batherson if that was an option

Yeah but can he play Sutter hockey.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Saqe

Every team can say this though. I'm sure the Panthers think they would've made several long playoff runs if they hadn't gotten 4.5 years of garbage Bob. Or Ottawa / Colombus thinking they'd be in the playoff hunt only to have several young guys regress or not take the next step and find themselves at the bottom again.

Doesn't excuse Sutter using him though.

come on now, they had the 2nd best goalie in the league who is now one of the worst. We are talking about the most important player on the team having a ridiculous drop off.

Flames need AVERAGE goaltending to be a top team AVERAGE

they allow the 2nd fewest shots against in the league, its not like they need someone standing on his head. Joonas Korpisalo has been average in Columbus FFS.

The Flames average backup has a great record

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by dino7c

come on now, they had the 2nd best goalie in the league who is now one of the worst. We are talking about the most important player on the team having a ridiculous drop off.

Flames need AVERAGE goaltending to be a top team AVERAGE

they allow the 2nd fewest shots against in the league, its not like they need someone standing on his head. Joonas Korpisalo has been average in Columbus FFS.

The Flames average backup has a great record

Vladar has provided that the coach continues to trot our Markstrom for some reason.

It was evident this was Vladars team back in November/December.

[Poe969]

Sutter fans: if we had average goaltending, we'd be in a playoff spot.

Impartial Sutter fans: Vladar has given solid goaltending, he should play more. Why is he playing Markstrom so much??

Sutter fans: because if we played Vladar more and had average goaltending, we'd have to find a different excuse!

[MrMike]

Jason Gregor reporting that the Oilers made an offer to San Jose for Karlsson yesterday.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Jason Gregor reporting that the Oilers made an offer to San Jose for Karlsson yesterday.

I wonder if Grier has stopped laughing yet.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Sutter fans: if we had average goaltending, we'd be in a playoff spot.

Impartial Sutter fans: Vladar has given solid goaltending, he should play more. Why is he playing Markstrom so much??

Sutter fans: because if we played Vladar more and had average goaltending, we'd have to find a different excuse!

Vladar has been below average. Chicago, Columbus, and Arizona are at the bottom of the league and they all have better goaltenders than Vladar.

Vladar only looks average because Markstrom is playing so far below it.

Do impartial Sutter fans think .905 SV% and 2.73 GAA is “solid”? There are 30 better goaltenders in both categories. (And before the usual posters say “And Markstrom has been solid???” No, he hasn’t, not ever valid critique of Vladar needs to be excused by “but Markstrom!”)

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Vladar has been below average. Chicago, Columbus, and Arizona are at the bottom of the league and they all have better goaltenders than Vladar.

Vladar only looks average because Markstrom is playing so far below it.

Do impartial Sutter fans think .905 SV% and 2.73 GAA is “solid”? There are 30 better goaltenders in both categories. (And before the usual posters say “And Markstrom has been solid???” No, he hasn’t, not ever valid critique of Vladar needs to be excused by “but Markstrom!”)

If only we had the rights to a goalie with a .930 save percentage who played in the same building.

If only.