02-15-2023, 12:49 PM
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#21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Infinit47
Maybe the hot part of the streak is still on its way.
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Maybe he hasnt been streaky, he's just been sandbagging the entire season so he comes out on fire in the playoffs, nobody is expecting it and they go all the way?!?!
Oh yeah. Thats about as insane as saying that his season has been any good at all.
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02-15-2023, 01:42 PM
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#22
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I agree with Sutter but I think Markstrom's streakiness isn't game to game or week to week, it's actually period to period. He's had plenty of games where he's given up a weak one early in the game and then looked good afterwards. He's had games where he's played well and then given up a stinker late in the game (hello, Ottawa). He's had games where he's played well and the team still loses. Whenever he gets the start again (won't be next game) he needs to string a few games together of just solid play. Not even spectacular. We really need both goalies playing well down the stretch.
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02-15-2023, 02:41 PM
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#23
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Originally Posted by sureLoss
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Watch him go back to Markstrom on Thursday now.
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02-15-2023, 02:43 PM
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#24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dissentowner
Watch him go back to Markstrom on Thursday now.
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I almost guarantee it.
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02-15-2023, 02:48 PM
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#25
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Originally Posted by Locke
I almost guarantee it.
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I will bet you Vladar plays
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02-15-2023, 02:59 PM
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#26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Locke
I almost guarantee it.
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CP when it happens.
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02-15-2023, 03:04 PM
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#27
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“Consistently inconsistent” - Treliving on the team as a whole
“Streaky” - Sutter on the goalies
Lingo of a team that just isn’t very good
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02-15-2023, 03:28 PM
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#29
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Originally Posted by mile
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Indeed. Every game is a new game.
The standings however are a cumulative reflection of the results of those games.
I can run him through a refresher on how that works if he needs.
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02-15-2023, 03:37 PM
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#30
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First Line Centre
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Not a great vibe from those comments. Translation is that the team just isn't very good.
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02-15-2023, 03:42 PM
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#31
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ComixZone
“Consistently inconsistent” - Treliving on the team as a whole
“Streaky” - Sutter on the goalies
Lingo of a team that just isn’t very good
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Goaltending can make a good team look bad.
This Flames team remains elite at 5v5 - there is really no denying that.
Especially when the game is within 1 goal, where our metrics are in-line with Carolina in every way except goaltending.
Corsi For: 57.2% (2nd)
Shots For: 58.7% (2nd)
xGF%: 55.2% (2nd)
xGF per 60: 2.94 (5th)
xGA per 60: 2.39 (4th)
GF%: 53.2% (11th)
GF: 92 (3rd- this has to be the most surprising stat)
GA: 81 (22nd)
GF per 60: 2.97 (3rd)
GA per 60: 2.62 (21st)
Shooting%: 8.1% (19th)
Save %: .899 (30th)
In pretty much every metric except for shooting and save percentage the team is actually elite at 5v5.
Even then the shooting percentage hasn't hurt them - we are still 3rd in GF per 60 at 5v5 (our offensive struggles are 100% PP related).
But we have a .899 save percentage.
Even if we had the save percentage in those scenarios of the 22nd ranked team (The juggernaut Anaheim Ducks with their .910 save percentage) that would mean 8 fewer goals against this year.
For a team that has played 32 one goal games, and that has 11 OT losses that could be huge. With even mediocre goaltending instead of bottom 3 goaltending we probably lead the division easily.
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02-15-2023, 03:43 PM
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#32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
Goaltending can make a good team look bad.
This Flames team remains elite at 5v5 - there is really no denying that. Our metrics are in-line with Carolina in every way except goaltending.
Especially when the game is within 1 goal:
Corsi For: 57.2% (2nd)
Shots For: 58.7% (2nd)
xGF%: 55.2% (2nd)
xGF per 60: 2.94 (5th)
xGA per 60: 2.39 (4th)
GF%: 53.2% (11th)
GF per 60: 2.97 (3rd - this has to be the most surprising stat)
GA per 60: 2.62 (21st)
Shooting%: 8.1% (19th)
Save %: .899 (30th)
In pretty much every metric except for shooting and save percentage the team is actually elite at 5v5.
Even then the shooting percentage hasn't hurt them - we are still 3rd in GF per 60 at 5v5 (our offensive struggles are 100% PP related).
But we have a .899 save percentage.
Even if we had the save percentage in those scenarios of the 22nd ranked team (The juggernaut Anaheim Ducks with their .910 save percentage) that would mean 8 fewer goals against this year.
For a team that has played 32 one goal games, and that has 11 OT losses that could be huge. With even mediocre goaltending instead of bottom 3 goaltending we probably lead the division easily.
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Its fine, each game is a new game. Dont overthink it. It'll all work out.
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02-15-2023, 03:50 PM
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I didn't like those questions much.
Would have preferred Darryl be asked about blown opportunities, locking down leads etc.
Although what's he going to say?
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02-15-2023, 04:48 PM
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Lifetime Suspension
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Does xGF take into account high danger chances.
How can be so high in that ranking when we are middle of the pack or at the bottom of the league in those metrics.
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02-15-2023, 04:57 PM
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#36
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There's also the fact the PP has been downright terrible this season as well. If you're a good 5v5 team you should be drawing penalties, and when you do, make them pay. The Flames haven't done that very much this season. Nobody is scared of the Flames PP and at times is has sucked any momentum the team has had. Even one PP goal every 2 or 3 games could make a big difference the rest of the season.
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02-15-2023, 05:47 PM
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#37
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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
It's tough to say. I think he needs to have higher engagement and compete level - but no doubt guys like Lucic specifically have gotten a way longer leash.
Ruzicka had 20 points in his first 25 games played and looked good in a top 9 role. We can use his time W and W/O Lewis as a proxy for top 9 vs 4th line.
Ruzicka + Lewis:
TOI: 145 Minutes
GF: 6
GA: 7
Corsi For: 54.4%
xGF: 50.9%
Ruzicka w/o Lewis:
TOI: 235 Minutes
GF: 11
GA: 8
Corsi For: 57.8%
xGF: 57.6%
From the start of the season to Christmas he only had played 25 games, but had 14 5V5 points which was third on the team behind Lindholm and Dube only, and led the team in points per 60. Then he had a couple softer games, was demoted to the 4th line and his confidence was gone.
In those 25 games before Christmas he got 204 minutes at 5v5 in the top 6, and only 52 minutes on the 4th line. In that time he had 20 points (14 at 5v5). In the 14 games he's played since Christmas he's had 6:16 in the top 6, and 117 minutes on the 4th line. In that time he has 0 points.
He's just a guy who has a skillset not really suited to playing with Milan Lucic and Trevor Lewis on the 4th line and probably didn't deserve his demotion.
He actually did well in top 9 minutes but I would say that Lucic for sure, and maybe even Pelletier to this point have received a longer leash than what Ruzicka got in that role.
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Sutter is not as smart as some make him out to be.
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02-15-2023, 06:32 PM
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#38
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
Goaltending can make a good team look bad.
This Flames team remains elite at 5v5 - there is really no denying that.
Especially when the game is within 1 goal, where our metrics are in-line with Carolina in every way except goaltending.
Corsi For: 57.2% (2nd)
Shots For: 58.7% (2nd)
xGF%: 55.2% (2nd)
xGF per 60: 2.94 (5th)
xGA per 60: 2.39 (4th)
GF%: 53.2% (11th)
GF: 92 (3rd- this has to be the most surprising stat)
GA: 81 (22nd)
GF per 60: 2.97 (3rd)
GA per 60: 2.62 (21st)
Shooting%: 8.1% (19th)
Save %: .899 (30th)
In pretty much every metric except for shooting and save percentage the team is actually elite at 5v5.
Even then the shooting percentage hasn't hurt them - we are still 3rd in GF per 60 at 5v5 (our offensive struggles are 100% PP related).
But we have a .899 save percentage.
Even if we had the save percentage in those scenarios of the 22nd ranked team (The juggernaut Anaheim Ducks with their .910 save percentage) that would mean 8 fewer goals against this year.
For a team that has played 32 one goal games, and that has 11 OT losses that could be huge. With even mediocre goaltending instead of bottom 3 goaltending we probably lead the division easily.
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Our goaltending in that situation looks much better when it is just Vladar though, much higher than 30th then.
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02-15-2023, 06:41 PM
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#39
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Aarongavey
Our goaltending in that situation looks much better when it is just Vladar though, much higher than 30th then.
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And thats why Vladar needs to start more.
5v5 Save Percentage within 1 goal:
Markstrom: 1154 Minutes, 0.885 Save Percentage
Vladar: 703 Minutes, .920 Save Percentage
That averages out to the .899 save percentage.
And it's why with Vladar they are playing at a 106 point pace, and with Markstrom's record it's a 84 point pace.
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02-15-2023, 06:52 PM
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#40
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Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: I don't belong here
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Locke
Maybe he hasnt been streaky, he's just been sandbagging the entire season so he comes out on fire in the playoffs, nobody is expecting it and they go all the way?!?!
Oh yeah. Thats about as insane as saying that his season has been any good at all.
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You just HAD to let the cat out of the bag, didn't you?
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