There was a guy interviewed on CNN who said that the U.S. has balloons that collect surveillance right on the edge of Chinese air space and that China has been demanding their removal for a while. Of course, there is a big difference between being on the edge of the air space and being right in the air space. It wouldn't be terribly shocking if some of those balloons drifted over the line occasionally though.
We're not giving the Americans the benefit of doubt now, right?!
Also some good context from a fighter pilot who had already gone public with seeing objects in the sky almost every single day. This include a dark sphere within a clear cube, stationary objects impervious to wind, and objects flying around all day.
Also some good context from a fighter pilot who had already gone public with seeing objects in the sky almost every single day. This include a dark sphere within a clear cube, stationary objects impervious to wind, and objects flying around all day.
Why is it always fighter pilots who fly around at 3G that see these things and never commercial pilots???? Nobody flying commercial ever sees these things
From "unidentified" objects to a "strange light," Canadian aviation officials received at least 16 unusual reports in 2022, including 11 from pilots flying for Air Canada, WestJet, Virgin Atlantic, United and more.
Seems like the White House is - finally - taking the UAP topic seriously and in the public domain. The provisions in the 2022 NDAA are likely why this is more public than at any point in history, especially with AARO in place to investigate reports of UAP.
I think, if nothing else, the UFO stigma is effectively being removed and proper investigation is now within grasp.
Note that most UAP sightings are prosaic in nature. But more eyes in the skies will undoubtedly allow better follow-up and investigation.
It's funny that they crack jokes and yet there's a 100% chance of intelligent life forms operating in same time space reality that we occupy
Those life forms that exist presenting themselves to us in some way would truly crush these peoples perception of reality
They would be well served using these events to warm themselves up to the truth rather than burying their heads in the sand pretending like we're the only living things in trillions of galaxies
Pretending our little countries on this infinitesimal sphere is the be all end all is like playing forts as adults
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It's funny that they crack jokes and yet there's a 100% chance of intelligent life forms operating in same time space reality that we occupy
Probably true but, our space time is ours not the entire universe.
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Those life forms that exist presenting themselves to us in some way would truly crush these peoples perception of reality
They would be well served using these events to warm themselves up to the truth rather than burying their heads in the sand pretending like we're the only living things in trillions of galaxies
Pretending our little countries on this infinitesimal sphere is the be all end all is like playing forts as adults
I think if you took a poll most people believe in intelligent life besides us somewhere but the major hurdle is the incredible vast distances between us, matter can't travel the speed barrier let alone a living creature, even if their tech somehow reached 10% the speed of light (30,000 km/sec) it would still take 42 years to visit us from the nearest star and a million years from stars on other side of our own galaxy. no need to even mention other galaxy's.
Wormholes, folding space etc is just science fiction fantasyland, I can wrap my head around alien probes sent out 1000's of years ago but in no way can I believe a living alien ever got to this planet.
You sure the ET hypothesis is the right one? What if we've been sharing this planet with a version of life we don't understand for thousands and thousands of years, whether corporeal and living in our oceans/atmosphere or whether they exist in light bands and frequencies our senses can't naturally perceive (e.g. intradimensionally?)
Without knowing for sure, there's a chance life we don't understand yet could be right under our noses.
I do think that's a different conversation than these unidentified objects though.
For those that are pondering that the UAP could be aliens, Extra Terrestrials, or other life forms on Earth that humans do not currently know exist - what probability do you assign that any of those explanations are responsible for the UAP activity that we are witnessing on Earth?
It's funny that they crack jokes and yet there's a 100% chance of intelligent life forms operating in same time space reality that we occupy
Those life forms that exist presenting themselves to us in some way would truly crush these peoples perception of reality
They would be well served using these events to warm themselves up to the truth rather than burying their heads in the sand pretending like we're the only living things in trillions of galaxies
Pretending our little countries on this infinitesimal sphere is the be all end all is like playing forts as adults
Let’s accept the fact that it exists.
How do they find us? In order to find us the universe needs to be so full of life that randomly another civilization will find us. If that is the case we should have been able to observe or detect these large number of intelligent life forms. If they are few in number they can’t find us.
So what you are suggesting in the ET is visiting us that a very small number of civilizations exist suck that we can’t detect them and they have found us and they are very poor at hiding themselves locally. The best evidence for this theory is just that we exist therefore it’s likely that N is greater than 1. But that doesn’t help the Space is big and time is long problem or the N is small relative to the size of the universe problem
I do think the time traveller from the future or Earth based multidimensional being are far more likely than aliens. We just have absolutely no evidence that these types of being exist in the current universe
I’m not sure why one would warm up their mind when we currently have no evidence of ET or local unknown life. It’s not like if Aliens were visiting us or materially changes our current earthly existence.
If shape shifting aliens have taken over our government who vastly dominate us technology wise I am not changing anything about my current life. The tech gap will be so vast it would be like your life changing after you find out that the earth is round.
You sure the ET hypothesis is the right one? What if we've been sharing this planet with a version of life we don't understand for thousands and thousands of years, whether corporeal and living in our oceans/atmosphere or whether they exist in light bands and frequencies our senses can't naturally perceive (e.g. intradimensionally?)
Without knowing for sure, there's a chance life we don't understand yet could be right under our noses.
I do think that's a different conversation than these unidentified objects though.
A superdimensional or supradimensional species has always made more sense to me than a vaguely "interdimensional" notion for other beings. In this sense, I would believe more that the beings existed in either a 4dimensional, 5 dimensional or even maybe 2 dimensional space that we cannot perceive adequately, but could exist directly adjacent to us. It could even explain some of the more confusing characteristics: i.e. appearing from "nowhere" would be them approaching from the unseen dimensions from our perspective, similar to you approaching a two dimensional drawing from above - or also their apparent lack of requirement to abide by our physical laws, if they exist with additional unseen dimensions this might be paltry to them.
Aliens would be a really, really bad outcome for humans. Technologically inferior societies get ####ing bulldozed in a historical context, and we are likely to encounter increased disease and other problems depending on their intent (or if they are biologically similar to us in any way, I guess.) Something that has been living unseen alongside us for some amount of time would certainly be paradigm altering for the world, but it doesn't present the same enormous risk to all of us remaining alive that actual aliens would.
More likely these are a private human interest of some sort. Maybe some secret global cabal- as unlikely as this sounds, it's orders of magnitude more likely than aliens or extradimensional beings.
MOST likely, the US has been superseded by a rival foreign power in the aerospace technology realm, and said opponent is still keeping its cards close to its chest.
Further to the notion of additional dimensions, physics is dancing all around the proof that we are likely living in a 4 or 5 dimensional universe that we can only see 3 dimensions of, because that's what we evolved for. This field of thought, which merges elements of special relativity and string theory, is called Higher Dimensional Einstein Gravity.
Further to the notion of additional dimensions, physics is dancing all around the proof that we are likely living in a 4 or 5 dimensional universe that we can only see 3 dimensions of, because that's what we evolved for. This field of thought, which merges elements of special relativity and string theory, is called Higher Dimensional Einstein Gravity.
Allow Carl Sagan to elaborate yet simplify.
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Three unidentified objects shot down by US fighter jets since Friday may turn out to be balloons connected to “benign” commercial or research efforts, a White House official said on Tuesday.
The US has not found any evidence to connect the objects to China’s balloon surveillance program nor to any other country’s spy program, national security council spokesperson, John Kirby,#told reporters.
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“We haven’t seen any indication or anything that points specifically to the idea that these three objects were part of the [People’s Republic of China’s] spying program, or that they were definitively involved in external intelligence collection efforts,” he said.
Instead, a “leading explanation” may be that the objects were operated privately for commercial or research purposes, Kirby said, though no one has stepped forward to claim ownership.
This is HUGE news for the Privately Owned Research Balloon Believer community. But we cannot rule out commercial non-research balloons! What an exciting time to be alive!
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Well that theory makes no sense since all commercial and research balloons have to have transponders, of which none of these three objects has any (none of them responded). They were all also within proximity to sensitive DoD locations. Both of these factors contributed to them being shot down.
Should wait for confirmation (or at least an alibi).
