02-13-2023, 12:29 PM
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First Line Centre
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Really want Chychrun here, was hoping we would move on from hanifin and pick him up with some of the assets
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02-13-2023, 01:10 PM
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#163
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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02-13-2023, 01:15 PM
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#164
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Franchise Player
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You just can't keep giving up multiple picks and prospects to acquire players, even good young players. The math just won't work.
Ultimately, you have to hit on enough of your own picks.
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02-13-2023, 01:28 PM
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#165
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Powerplay Quarterback
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I think both 2023 1st and Coronato - is too much for Chychrun.
I can see Coronato + Kylington and 2rd or 3rd or any B type prospect.
Our 1st must be kept. if you need trade it, trade during the draft. The price will sky high.
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02-13-2023, 02:05 PM
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#167
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Ate 100 Treadmills
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Originally Posted by NewFan
I think both 2023 1st and Coronato - is too much for Chychrun.
I can see Coronato + Kylington and 2rd or 3rd or any B type prospect.
Our 1st must be kept. if you need trade it, trade during the draft. The price will sky high.
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Seems like a bad look to move Kylington while he's on the IR for personal issues.
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02-13-2023, 02:06 PM
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#168
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Originally Posted by ComixZone
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As they should.
In the NHL it became this idea that you should only retain salary on "bad contracts"
But honestly retaining salary on a good contract would garner even better trade returns, and opens up more of the market for you to get the best return available when so many teams are cap constrained.
I had mentioned it in the offseason when the discussion was still for re-build vs going for it (prior to Huberdeau/Kadri acquisitions).
If you're not going to be a cap team anyways then you should try to retain to get the best possible deal - especially if it's only 1-2 year deals.
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02-13-2023, 02:06 PM
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#169
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Austria, NOT Australia
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if Flames brass know that signing Coronato could be an issue and/or they plan to trade Hanifin instead of re-signing him long-term, I'm not against it. Hell, I'd surely take it over burning assets for the Luke Schenns of this world ...
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02-13-2023, 02:07 PM
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#170
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by ComixZone
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I'd pay a lot to get Chychrun with salary retained. It would give Treliving options next summer with a guy like that for 2 years at $2.3 to $3.5 mil ranges depending on how much salary they retain.
Can straight add him no salary dump this year.
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02-13-2023, 02:14 PM
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#171
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Alberta
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Originally Posted by blankall
Seems like a bad look to move Kylington while he's on the IR for personal issues.
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after this long, I don't think it would be that bad of a look.
At a certain point you have a business to worry about.
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02-13-2023, 02:23 PM
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#172
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by ComixZone
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It would make sense for LA to dump Peterson in this. It's not inconceivable that he could play himself back into some value
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02-13-2023, 02:26 PM
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#173
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by devo22
if Flames brass know that signing Coronato could be an issue and/or they plan to trade Hanifin instead of re-signing him long-term, I'm not against it. Hell, I'd surely take it over burning assets for the Luke Schenns of this world ...
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Getting Chychrun and then flipping Hanifin wouldn't be the worst asset management. Although I am not sure how much better he is than Hanifin
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02-13-2023, 02:31 PM
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#174
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by Bonded
Getting Chychrun and then flipping Hanifin wouldn't be the worst asset management. Although I am not sure how much better he is than Hanifin
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I'd take him over Hanifin but even if he is no better than Hanifin, Chychrun has an extra year.
Hanifin at $4.95 mil is a keeper. That will change in 1 year and could be north of $8 mil maybe $9 mil.
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02-13-2023, 02:32 PM
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#175
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Austria, NOT Australia
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonded
Getting Chychrun and then flipping Hanifin wouldn't be the worst asset management. Although I am not sure how much better he is than Hanifin
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maybe he isn't much better, but cost-controlled and a year longer under contract. If, after getting Chychrun, you can flip Hanifin in the summer with an extension in place, I think it's solid asset management.
not that I think it'll happen, but fun to think about.
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02-13-2023, 02:33 PM
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#176
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Franchise Player
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Hanifin has been solid for us. Good thing we’re getting rid of him. We need less of that.
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02-13-2023, 02:39 PM
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#177
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Austria, NOT Australia
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it's not about wanting to get rid of him, it's about long-term decisions that this organization will have to make. Lindholm becomes a UFA at the same time, as is Toffoli. All of these players are in line for long-term contracts at a high AAV, so they surely can't sign everybody. I like Hanifin, so if he and the team can find a number that works for both sides, then great. If not, you'll have to trade him.
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02-13-2023, 03:13 PM
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#178
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
As they should.
In the NHL it became this idea that you should only retain salary on "bad contracts"
But honestly retaining salary on a good contract would garner even better trade returns, and opens up more of the market for you to get the best return available when so many teams are cap constrained.
I had mentioned it in the offseason when the discussion was still for re-build vs going for it (prior to Huberdeau/Kadri acquisitions).
If you're not going to be a cap team anyways then you should try to retain to get the best possible deal - especially if it's only 1-2 year deals.
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Lindholm and Hanifin with 50% retained should be worth two 1sts and a prospect easily.
All I’m sayin’.
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02-13-2023, 04:12 PM
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#179
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In the Sin Bin
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814
Lindholm and Hanifin with 50% retained should be worth two 1sts and a prospect easily.
All I’m sayin’.
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This team is not rebuilding anytime soon.
All I'm sayin'.
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02-13-2023, 04:18 PM
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#180
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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The Flames with a lot of contracts coming up next year will need to make decisions. I do think they should consider shopping both Lindholm and Hanifin for younger pieces next year. Lindholm is going to make at least $9M per on an 8 year deal that takes effect in the season he turns 30. Hanifin is poised for $8M as well based on his solid play over this past contract. Ideally if guys like Tanev and Backlund re-sign they will take pay cuts. Toffoli will be tough to keep and not think he could fall off a cliff like James Neal did when he was signed and he could command $5M+. Dube likely also gets a sizable raise while Zadorov might be looking for a long term deal as he approaches 30.
I hope the team moves off some of these guys this summer when they have value vs signing them to long term deals or walking them to free agency to be lost for nothing. Lindholm is the best forward on the team so I would be surprised if they didn’t extend him this summer but he could potentially return an intriguing young player who could be a key piece down the road.
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