[Signing] Coyotes sign Valimaki to 1 year contract extension

[Strange Brew]

It’s really the perfect situation for Valimaki, no pressure at all. It will be interesting to see if has built enough confidence to handle adversity when it eventually comes up, or whether he is just not suited for it.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Kolsch

Looks like 3 primary assists and one secondary assist to me. 18 points on the season so far.

The first point he didn't even make the highlight; it was a rush that regrouped. Presumably just a routine pass.

The second point would have been a tertiary assist if Bjugstad touched the puck instead of STL deflecting into their own net. Just a routine PP pass

The third point was also close to a tertiary assist - Keller let Vali's pass go through him. A bit more of a skill play by Vali at the blue line; nice team effort where all 5 guys made a good play to score quickly off a faceoff on the PP.

The fourth point Vali did a nice job QBing the 6 on 5 situation. Nice but routine secondary assist.

https://www.nhl.com/gamecenter/ari-v...me_state=final


Vali's 1st goal against he made a bad semi-pinch leaving Blais WIIIIIIDE open for a break away coming out of the box. His D-partner might bear some blame, but the box was on Vali's side of the ice.

2nd goal against he didn't do much wrong.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Yawn, former Flame prospect doing great things in another organization, whether it is Tkachuk, Bennett, Valimaki and there is always one guy to crap on that player. I hope Jusse turns into what he should be, a consistent 30-40 point dman with mobility and size. He probably will eventually get there.

Look at the positives, we have Mackey. No need to crap on former prospects.

Better to use it as an excuse to crap on our team.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Kolsch

Looks like 3 primary assists and one secondary assist to me. 18 points on the season so far.

Not sure where you got this info but it isn't true, I watched the most of the game

Points are points but they were 2nd assists and he was an even player in a 6-5 loss

[TheScorpion]

All this talk about how losing Valimaki reflects poorly on the Flames is just so boring. As is trying to diminish the accomplishment of him getting four assists in a game.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

It’s really the perfect situation for Valimaki, no pressure at all. It will be interesting to see if has built enough confidence to handle adversity when it eventually comes up, or whether he is just not suited for it.

This is the reality of it

Playing fire wagon hockey on a team that wants to lose you take points with a grain of salt

Obviously it's better than not getting points but being even in a 4 point game is kinda telling to me.

If the Flames lost 6-5 to the Blues I doubt there would be much hype for a 4 point even performance.

Maybe I'm wrong

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by dino7c

This is the reality of it

Playing fire wagon hockey on a team that wants to lose you take points with a grain of salt

Obviously it's better than not getting points but being even in a 4 point game is kinda telling to me.

If the Flames lost 6-5 to the Blues I doubt there would be much hype for a 4 point even performance.

Maybe I'm wrong

There were a lot of posters who would bring up Dougie Hamilton's hat trick in a game the Flames lost 7-4 as a reason not to trade him.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

There were a lot of posters who would bring up Dougie Hamilton's hat trick in a game the Flames lost 7-4 as a reason not to trade him.

And they were likely called out on it too

That was also a very good established NHLer

I mean Janko had a 4 goal game but it was a meaningless one with the Flames out of the race

[GioforPM]

Remember when Colborne had a hattie first game with the Avs?

[Kolsch]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Not sure where you got this info but it isn't true, I watched the most of the game

Points are points but they were 2nd assists and he was an even player in a 6-5 loss

The Score app. I was also watching the game because I have pipe dreams of getting Keller or Schmaltz on our team.

[redmile04]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Valimaki was a tire fire in training camp ... he was awful.

He was worse than Mackey, and Meloche, in the pecking order, and that coupled with his invisible play in the AHL the previous season and a higher contract had him a) the best guy to cut and b) a somewhat unlikely guy to be claimed.

Don't see the point in grinding on this one. The right call was made at the time. Period.

I don't disagree with your comment "right call was made at the time" but how many of these scenarios have there been where it seemed like it was the right call but turns out it wasnt, from past eras to now? St Louis, Savard previously, then Bennett, and now Milano, Valimaki, Kylington ( very lucky he wasnt claimed)

Just seems to be too many players succeeding elsewhere, and not here.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by redmile04

I don't disagree with your comment "right call was made at the time" but how many of these scenarios have there been where it seemed like it was the right call but turns out it wasnt, from past eras to now? St Louis, Savard previously, then Bennett, and now Milano, Valimaki, Kylington ( very lucky he wasnt claimed)

Just seems to be too many players succeeding elsewhere, and not here.

But is that any more or less than most other teams?

2 impact players, a solid 2C and some depth wingers (you forgot Byron) and D over 25 years...

[Ped]

Originally Posted by redmile04

I don't disagree with your comment "right call was made at the time" but how many of these scenarios have there been where it seemed like it was the right call but turns out it wasnt, from past eras to now? St Louis, Savard previously, then Bennett, and now Milano, Valimaki, Kylington ( very lucky he wasnt claimed)

Just seems to be too many players succeeding elsewhere, and not here.

I think fans tend to associate certain things with certain players and don't really pay attention to what's going on. All this hand-wringing over Milano and he's got all of 8 goals.

At the moment, Valimaki is a decent player playing for a terrible team that wants to lose. Hardly anything to lose sleep over.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

But is that any more or less than most other teams?

2 impact players, a solid 2C and some depth wingers (you forgot Byron) and D over 25 years...

I mean Boston managed to get rid of Thornton and Seguin in one sided trades. Got rid of Reggie Leach, Rick MacLeish, Ken Dryden too.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by redmile04

I don't disagree with your comment "right call was made at the time" but how many of these scenarios have there been where it seemed like it was the right call but turns out it wasnt, from past eras to now? St Louis, Savard previously, then Bennett, and now Milano, Valimaki, Kylington ( very lucky he wasnt claimed)

Just seems to be too many players succeeding elsewhere, and not here.

Happens to every team ... and you're literally involving 2+ decades and multiple GMs (talent evaluators).

That's creating a story.

Calgary's best goaltender of all time was a team giving up on a player that came here.

[redmile04]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Happens to every team .

Every team hasn't had 0 cups in 30 years, and 1 WCF appearance in those 30 plus years.

Not saying other teams dont make lots of mistakes, but really hurts us due to lack of success, we could be talking about which cup was better vs a failed 04 run if we had Marty and Savard.

Had to bring up the past but it hurts when there has been no winning.

[redmile04]

& it just seems like they dont learn, like why is he succeeding in Arizona and not here, Milano too, why did Bennett get better right away, something is definitely wrong here

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by redmile04

Every team hasn't had 0 cups in 30 years, and 1 WCF appearance in those 30 plus years.

Not saying other teams dont make lots of mistakes, but really hurts us due to lack of success, we could be talking about which cup was better vs a failed 04 run if we had Marty and Savard.

Had to bring up the past but it hurts when there has been no winning.

But this sort of revisionist history never makes sense. You can’t change one thing and expect that literally everything else would happen as it did except for the possibility of turning one game 7 loss into a game 7 win.

It’s just as likely we could’ve kept both and never traded for Kipper, never went on an 04 run, and the team was sold during the lockout.

Originally Posted by redmile04

& it just seems like they dont learn, like why is he succeeding in Arizona and not here, Milano too, why did Bennett get better right away, something is definitely wrong here

Of course they learn, they know every player that they let go could do well somewhere else. It happens to every team almost every year. Bennett asked for a trade but if you remember he was already playing great by the time he was traded. Valimaki and Milano were just rotten, and it’s not like they intended to lose Valimaki either. Tons of guys who go on to be solid contributors hit waivers one or even multiple times before that, and the majority never get claimed. It’s a risk, but that’s hockey.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by redmile04

Every team hasn't had 0 cups in 30 years, and 1 WCF appearance in those 30 plus years.

Not saying other teams dont make lots of mistakes, but really hurts us due to lack of success, we could be talking about which cup was better vs a failed 04 run if we had Marty and Savard.

Had to bring up the past but it hurts when there has been no winning.

Yeah lets make sure we walk out 30 years of team history when assessing whether or not letting Juuso Valimaki go on waivers was the right call.

Jesus ...

[ComixZone]

I think we can go back to the training camp and look at the fact that every young/apparent bubble player had a bad camp - and somehow Mackey makes the team but Valimaki and Gilbert get put on waivers/sent down, and both of those players are significantly better than Mackey - and I’d argue Stone as well. Maybe it’s a problem with how Sutter/Treliving put together their training camp?

Flames screwed up with Valimaki and lost a recent(ish) 1st round pick for nothing, and kept a player who doesn’t appear to be an NHL’er.

Chalk this one up to a player and coach not getting along, and move on - but it still sucks.