[Barn Burner] Boomer: "You were wrong"

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by dino7c

"these guys agree with me so they are obviously right and telling it like it is"

I'm not hearing a lot of ideas other than everything is terrible...which is pretty much all Rhett ever says

I listened to 40 minutes of this and didn't hear one insightful thing. I don't get what's so great about this clip TBH. They can swear now. Yay.

Warrener calling the 2004 run lucky was kind of interesting.

[Badgers Nose]

I think the pod gets it wrong by overstating the problem

- BT cant go back to the drawing board. As unlikely as that is, it would be a different GM.
- Huby is here to stay.
- This team is not as bad as they say. It just shouldn’t be chasing rentals at the deadline.
- BT or whoever needs to make some hockey trades: this team needs a legit scorer to go with our shiny new playmaker. We will have to give up something good, like Hanifin.
- if there is an opportunity to sell some older depth players, BT should do it.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Honestly, who knows at this point. The drop off so far is almost unprecedented. I have trouble thinking of any other players who fell off a production cliff like he has. At this point, we can't even be sure we've hit rock bottom.

The only players that come to mind without thinking too hard are Cheechoo after he stopped playing with Thornton, and Rob Brown after he stopped playing with Lemieux, but even in those cases, the drop off wasn't as drastic or quick. In those case, they were the ones being carried. Huberdeau is supposed to be the guy doing the carrying.

Cheechoo was more like Monahan than anything else. Knee injury did him in. Also, Cheechoo didn’t go from multiple ppg seasons to falling off. Huberdeau’s production drop off has got be near historical levels though

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Coach

It's pretty unfathomable. Cheechoo is a scary tale for sure, and has what has come to mind this season.

Watching Huberdeau over this season, it's hard to imagine how he got to 100+ pts. I just don't see it. Yeah the coach asks for more defensive responsibility, but how does that affect your ability to pass, shoot or skate? People act like Sutter has some complicated system to learn. He just wants players to back check and be positionally sound. It's not that hard. He's not teaching them anything they weren't told in PeeWee. It just takes some mental and physical effort.

Huberdeau was over PP the last 4 seasons with multiple different linemates. He had a ton of good seasons before that too and was a top ranked prospect #3 pick overall, team Canada, ect.

Cheechoo hand one great season over a PPG

[Strange Brew]

Pinder also needs to keep himself a little more informed if he wants to come across as sharp as he thinks he is. He starts going on about the club hiring first time head coaches who learn on the job.

Who is he talking about?

Ward? Kind of a weird case, battle field promotion and clearly not who they really wanted.

Playfair? Ok sure.

So two first time coaches in twenty years. Ok Pinder.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

I think the pod gets it wrong by overstating the problem

- BT cant go back to the drawing board. As unlikely as that is, it would be a different GM.
- Huby is here to stay.
- This team is not as bad as they say. It just shouldn’t be chasing rentals at the deadline.
- BT or whoever needs to make some hockey trades: this team needs a legit scorer to go with our shiny new playmaker. We will have to give up something good, like Hanifin.
- if there is an opportunity to sell some older depth players, BT should do it.

Yep, the difference between a top team and a bubble team this year is a few wins...the Flames have the same amount of points as the Avalanche right now, if it can happen to them the Flames certainly aren't immune.

Season has been brutal for most of the team and they are still tied with two teams in the playoffs but out because games played.

Its such a fine line I toada so's look stupid right now. I don't think the Flames should be giving up anything to add but they also shouldn't be thowing in the towel on the season. They could be in a playoff spot a few hours from now.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Huberdeau was over PP the last 4 seasons with multiple different linemates. He had a ton of good seasons before that too and was a top ranked prospect #3 pick overall, team Canada, ect.

Cheechoo hand one great season over a PPG

That is all true, Cheechoo is a a bad comparison for pretty much ever y thing.

Which makes the Hubby fall off so strange.

And concerning.

I can’t really find a comparable.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

That is all true, Cheechoo is a a bad comparison for pretty much ever y thing.

Which makes the Hubby fall off so strange.

And concerning.

I can’t really find a comparable.

Skinner is the closest thing - but different levels of production.

Skinner got an 8 year, $9M AAV contract after posting a career best 40G, 23A, 63P in 82 games for a 0.77PPG in 2018/2019. He signed the contract in June of 2019.

In 2019/2020, Skinner plummeted to 14G, 9A, 23 points in 59 games for a .039 PPG. He followed that up with 7G, 7A, 14 points in 53 games for a terrible 0.26 PPG.

Buffalo paid a premium for the player they only had one season of history with - which is 1 more season than the Flames had with Huberdeau before handing out an 8 year deal at $10.5M AAV.

Buffalo had to change coaches to get Skinner back on track.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Yep, the difference between a top team and a bubble team this year is a few wins...the Flames have the same amount of points as the Avalanche right now, if it can happen to them the Flames certainly aren't immune.

Season has been brutal for most of the team and they are still tied with two teams in the playoffs but out because games played.

Its such a fine line I toada so's look stupid right now. I don't think the Flames should be giving up anything to add but they also shouldn't be thowing in the towel on the season. They could be in a playoff spot a few hours from now.

Avs also probably have the most man games lost for top 6 forwards and top 4 dman in the league this season. Not really a good comparable for a Flames team with no significant injuries. Other than Tanev for a bit.

[soulchoice]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Pinder also needs to keep himself a little more informed if he wants to come across as sharp as he thinks he is. He starts going on about the club hiring first time head coaches who learn on the job.

Who is he talking about?

Ward? Kind of a weird case, battle field promotion and clearly not who they really wanted.

Playfair? Ok sure.

So two first time coaches in twenty years. Ok Pinder.

Was he talking about the last 20 years or as a franchise in general?

Flames as a whole have hired a few first time head coaches.

Bob Johnson
Terry Crisp
Dave King
Greg Gilbert
Jim Playfair
Geoff Ward

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Avs also probably have the most man games lost for top 6 forwards and top 4 dman in the league this season. Not really a good comparable for a Flames team with no significant injuries. Other than Tanev for a bit.

Kylington for the entire season has certainly hurt the Flames

Seattle lost again, Flames need to go out and win a game tomorrow...they can pass Minny and get within 3 points of the Oilers and Seattle

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Skinner is the closest thing - but different levels of production.

Skinner got an 8 year, $9M AAV contract after posting a career best 40G, 23A, 63P in 82 games for a 0.77PPG in 2018/2019. He signed the contract in June of 2019.

In 2019/2020, Skinner plummeted to 14G, 9A, 23 points in 59 games for a .039 PPG. He followed that up with 7G, 7A, 14 points in 53 games for a terrible 0.26 PPG.

Buffalo paid a premium for the player they only had one season of history with - which is 1 more season than the Flames had with Huberdeau before handing out an 8 year deal at $10.5M AAV.

Buffalo had to change coaches to get Skinner back on track.

Hubby had a lifetime of production and has fell off about half his previous production.

Skinner had a few good years and still only had 63 points, which is hardly Hubby level production level.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by soulchoice

Was he talking about the last 20 years or as a franchise in general?

Flames as a whole have hired a few first time head coaches.

Bob Johnson
Terry Crisp
Dave King
Greg Gilbert
Jim Playfair
Geoff Ward

He said something about three of the last five. I don’t think he was going back 40 years.

But looking at the top of that list, maybe it is time to try a first time head coach.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Kylington for the entire season has certainly hurt the Flames

Seattle lost again, Flames need to go out and win a game tomorrow...they can pass Minny and get within 3 points of the Oilers and Seattle

Weegar in, Kylington out.

No way can this team use the OK situation as any kind of excuse IMO. I’d bet every other team in the league has bigger challenges.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Weegar in, Kylington out.

No way can this team use the OK situation as any kind of excuse IMO. I’d bet every other team in the league has bigger challenges.

Its not an excuse but when someone says no significant injuries
Kylington was a top 4 D last season and he has missed every single game

Flames top Dman just got hit by a car lol (because he is okay)

There are a few teams that have dealt with worse the the Flames have had their share this season

I was really just saying what a fine line it is...Even a team like the Avs are a few breaks away from being average.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Kylington for the entire season has certainly hurt the Flames

Seattle lost again, Flames need to go out and win a game tomorrow...they can pass Minny and get within 3 points of the Oilers and Seattle

Just so I’m clear , you are comparing a 4-6 dman out to the injury sheet the Avs have had since the start of the season? That’s amazing.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Kylington for the entire season has certainly hurt the Flames

Seattle lost again, Flames need to go out and win a game tomorrow...they can pass Minny and get within 3 points of the Oilers and Seattle

100% agree they are still in it. just dont see the comparable between the Flames and Av's situations and how they've got where they are this season.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Just so I’m clear , you are comparing a 4-6 dman out to the injury sheet the Avs have had since the start of the season? That’s amazing.

Kylington was a staple in the top 4. But it doesn’t appear that dino is comparing the one injury to Colorado, just saying the injury hurt us. What is amazing about it?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Just so I’m clear , you are comparing a 4-6 dman out to the injury sheet the Avs have had since the start of the season? That’s amazing.

He was in the top for for the entire season last year
and no I am not

Maybe expand the discussion behind the Flames are terrible and we are all doomed

someone said the Flames had "no significant injuries"

that is not true

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by dino7c

this isn't true...they don't need 115 points out of Huberdeau. They would be succeeding right now with a few more wins.

10 more points from Huberdeau
average Markstom
Mangiapane not taking the first two months off

ect.

Winning half of the OT losses.

It’s true they aren’t far off. But they are by far their own worst enemy and deserve to be in the position they are in.