Another school shooting.

[HelloHockeyFans]

NBC has a slide show and video up... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18169776/?from=ET

[SpitFire40]

WTF is he even talking about? Seriously... that guy is f-d up. I couldn't really hear what he was trying to say.

Did this guy not have a family or what?

[Azure]

Wow.

What a sick freak.

[Muta]

What a sickening video to watch.

Considering his troubled past, I'd like to see if anyone who bullied him in the past (it's very likely he was picked on as a youth) will step up and admit that they were part of the problem, not the solution. Of course it'll never happen - all you hear about is the positive warning signs that people gave - his roomates triying to talk to him, his teacher's suprvisor offering to help teach him one-on-one.... that's all great, these people are innocent; however, you'll never hear anyone speak up about admitting they may have bullied him in the past. To me, besides what happened on Monday, the greatest tragedy in all this is that no one will really ever know what turned him into this sadistic killer. Obviously, it's a whole collaboration of people over a number of years who played into his course of actions, but those directly-related people will never admit to being part of the problem. They know, but they'll never admit it.

I've known a couple of these types of kids; maybe not to the same extent as Cho, but definitely along the same isolated lines. Unquestionably they were harassed and picked on, resulting in their psychological deviation from regular society. It's sad, and the even sadder part about it is, is that if they aren't breaking any rules, they have every right to go about their daily business. Warning signs popped up, but no one expected this.

And here's the crappy part - Cho is now puppeteering the media in the exact way he wanted. If he was craving acceptance and attention all of his life, he's sure getting the attention now, just the way he probably wanted it. Sending his tape to NBC, I'm sure Cho knew EXACTLY what he was doing when sending it.

[SpitFire40]

C'mon... EVERYONE get's bullied or made fun of at some point in their lives... I agree the world would be a better place if people weren't bullied or made fun of but it happens.. The sole responsibility of this is the sick piece of crap, and lack of direction from his family in life.

Ohh no, I was bullied. I'll show 'em, I'll kill 30 + innocent people just to prove some kind of BS point...

If you're that down on life and intent to die, just do us all a favor and kill yourself, don't be a "Martyr" and take innocent lives with you.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by SpitFire40

C'mon... EVERYONE get's bullied or made fun of at some point in their lives... I agree the world would be a better place if people weren't bullied or made fun of but it happens.. The sole responsibility of this is the sick piece of crap, and lack of direction from his family in life.

I agree, ultimately it's this sick piece of crap's fault. But you also mentioned that it was his lack of direction given from his family. In my opinion, that's likely where the cause started. The unfortunate part about this is that you never truly know how bad until something like this actually happens.

[FireFly]

One thing that I'd like to point out, since this is a sports related forum, is just what kind of an impact putting your children in sports can have. Kids who play group sports or take part in any sort of extracurricular activity at an early age are shown to make friends more easily, and tend to be more well adjusted. Had this guy been in some sort of sport as a child, he likely wouldn't have felt so lonely and ostrasized. Just food for thought.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by SpitFire40

C'mon... EVERYONE get's bullied or made fun of at some point in their lives... I agree the world would be a better place if people weren't bullied or made fun of but it happens.. The sole responsibility of this is the sick piece of crap, and lack of direction from his family in life.

Ohh no, I was bullied. I'll show 'em, I'll kill 30 + innocent people just to prove some kind of BS point...

If you're that down on life and intent to die, just do us all a favor and kill yourself, don't be a "Martyr" and take innocent lives with you.

You are being irrational to suggest bullying or getting picked on by others didn't play a part. How do you know that? Muta is right - no one has come forward to say whether they contributed to his downward spiral, but obviously there are people who did. He is, however, definitely a personality that makes mountains out of mole hills, but so then even the slightest nudge could set him off and add to his already disturbing list of reasons for why to kill other people.

All you seem to hear about is those who 'reached a hand out' to help this troubled man, and he rejected it. Well I think there were alot more people in his life that spit on his hand than most of us know. People are always willing to discuss the positive things they've done, but hardly meniton the negatives things they have done, INCLUDING bullying which some people in this world just don't see as a large issue.

I am NOT giving credit to Cho here, he is a sick, twisted, selfish individual. But I strongly believe there are more people that casted him aside in his life than what we are hearing about him.

[notoepik]

From his sad pathetic *plays* it sounds like he was sexually abused by an authoratative male. Doubt one of those is going to step up and admit he screwed up this kids life.

[SpitFire40]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

You are being irrational to suggest bullying or getting picked on by others didn't play a part.

Of course it played a part, I'm just saying he wasn't the first person to be bullied, or abused in this world. If it made him go crazy enough to wish death upon himself. Just flipping do it! Don't take 30+ innocent's with you because you know what? I guarantee you everyone of those dead right now have been bullied in their lifetime.

There were probably alot of factors in play, but being bullied, picked on, or whatever made him so unstable is no reason for him to MURDER 30+ innocent people.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by SpitFire40

C'mon... EVERYONE get's bullied or made fun of at some point in their lives... I agree the world would be a better place if people weren't bullied or made fun of but it happens.. The sole responsibility of this is the sick piece of crap, and lack of direction from his family in life.

Ohh no, I was bullied. I'll show 'em, I'll kill 30 + innocent people just to prove some kind of BS point...

If you're that down on life and intent to die, just do us all a favor and kill yourself, don't be a "Martyr" and take innocent lives with you.

Hold on Jordan! No one here is suggesting that the shooter isn't 100% responsible for his actions - most of all me. Still it doesn't negate the fact there will be psycho's that emerge from incidents of bullying and try to be a martyr. We as a society have a responsibilty to learn from these incidents and try to discover better and different ways of weeding out these psycho's in an effort to better protect our students and make their learning enviroment alot more safer..

[rubecube]

Does anybody else think that some of these incidents are somewhat mammalian and relative to the pack-like system all humans subconsciously belong to?

Kids who are bullies are generally trying to show dominance (sometimes due to other insecurities) and become the Alpha of the group and the child who is bullied becomes the lowest of the pack. Maybe this was his way of finally establishing dominance and, the knowledge he couldn't maintain it (due to punishment, society, etc), was the reason he killed himself in the end.

Maybe I'm looking too deep into this.

[SpitFire40]

Originally Posted by Dion

Hold on Jordan! No one here is suggesting that the shooter isn't 100% responsible for his actions - most of all me. Still it doesn't negate the fact there will be psycho's that emerge from incidents of bullying and try to be a martyr. We as a society have a responsibilty to learn from these incidents and try to discover better and different ways of weeding out these psycho's in an effort to better protect our students and make their learning enviroment alot more safer..

I agree with you 100%, I even said so in my opening post.

Originally Posted by Me

I agree the world would be a better place if people weren't bullied or made fun of but it happens..

[KevanGuy]

Originally Posted by notoepik

From his sad pathetic *plays* it sounds like he was sexually abused by an authoratative male. Doubt one of those is going to step up and admit he screwed up this kids life.

I thought the same thing after reading them. Some Dr. on CNN suggested the same thing actually. This guy's problems went farrrrrr beyond being bullied or picked on. This is big time crazy stuff. It is SHOCKING he wasn't kept in an institution. Sickening really.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by SpitFire40

I agree with you 100%, I even said so in my opening post.

Okay. My mistake.

[OILFAN #81]

Originally Posted by KevanGuy

I thought the same thing after reading them. Some Dr. on CNN suggested the same thing actually. This guy's problems went farrrrrr beyond being bullied or picked on. This is big time crazy stuff. It is SHOCKING he wasn't kept in an institution. Sickening really.

I totally agree with this. From watching his tape and when he says "you backed me into a corner, it didn't have to be this way, but I am doing this because of you", combined with his plays made me believe he was sexually abused. I didn't get what he meant by "for my children and brothers and sisters though".

[Ozy_Flame]

Being sexually abused, bullied, picked on, having no friends, being an introvert, watching other kids get things handed to them their whole lives and he didn't, it all added up. Again, the guy was 'backed into a corner' and just couldn't take the pressure anymore, or at least that's what was going through his twisted sense of reality.

I really do think that there is more to his story than what people say on TV; there are guilty people out there who just aren't going to stand up and take responsibility for what pushed him to this level. This simply can't just be about a chemical imbalance, there are too many signs pointing otherwise.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Being sexually abused, bullied, picked on, having no friends, being an introvert, watching other kids get things handed to them their whole lives and he didn't, it all added up. Again, the guy was 'backed into a corner' and just couldn't take the pressure anymore, or at least that's what was going through his twisted sense of reality.

I really do think that there is more to his story than what people say on TV; there are guilty people out there who just aren't going to stand up and take responsibility for what pushed him to this level. This simply can't just be about a chemical imbalance, there are too many signs pointing otherwise.

I think we're making a large assumption about the sexual abuse thing. The whole backed into a corner thing could refer to his girlfriend breaking up with him, and not being able to handle it. Even the plays could refer to him and his relationship with his girl. Maybe she was stolen by a different guy, or this kid was jealous of her interaction with another person, which would explain the one play.

For the most part these whacko's do a lot of transferral, they rarely take the blame for things that they don't know how to control, and lash out for the smallest reason.

Its funny, because we keep looking at the bullying aspect of things as the identifiable reason why this kid did what he did. And I'm not trying to minimalize things here, but I'm sure that since the dawn of time, there have been millions or 10's of millions of people bullied, and some out right viciously, and yet we've had, what 20 shootings of this type and magnitude since the late 70's, and not a lot before that. So to me, and I could be wrong, there's a whole other factor that evolved fairly recently thats causing some of the more extreme elements to live out thier whacked out take them all with me mentallity. Is it the media, is it violence in movies, is it the permissiveness of society or an outright shift in the moral code and how we deal with people.

I don't know, I'm just putting it out there.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

yet we've had, what 20 shootings of this type and magnitude since the late 70's

What if we could ban the sale of automatic weapons to males under the age of 35? Haven't most of these shootings been committed by young men? I suppose they would still get these guns illegally if there was a ban.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by troutman

What if we could ban the sale of automatic weapons to males under the age of 35? Haven't most of these shootings been committed by young men? I suppose they would still get these guns illegally if there was a ban.

This last shooting was done with handguns. The Dawson College killings was done with a semi-automatic rifle. Columbine was shotguns and pistols. The Red Lake shootings was shotguns and pistols. For the most part its not automatic weapons that are in use, so banning them isn't going to prevent them.

You could ban hand guns and shotguns, however they are easier to get on the street then an automatic weapon.

There is also the concept of easy modification. The semi-automatic AR-16 can be converted to a fully automatic weapon with some simple metal tools and about 10 minutes worth of time.

The semi-automatic consumer version of the AK-47 can be easily converted to a fully automatic weapon.

You can turn almost any rifile into a fully automatic weapon if you don'y care about its use after the first magazine is fired, however they don't have the proper recoil spring so they would be in-accurate.