Leonardo DiCaprio

[GreenLantern]

Originally Posted by AC

https://twitter.com/user/status/1622827105808683008

Same age gap as David Harbour (47) and Millie Bobby Brown (18) too.

She doesn't care if he is 48, Oscar quality acting blood runs through his veins. And he is her boyfriend, from this day until her last day of age 24.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

As long as they aren't breaking the law why shouldn't they if it makes them happy? If the guy likes young ladies why should he start dating older women just to please you? Makes no sense and clearly he doesn't give a flying #### about what you or anyone else thinks. While I think the guy is kind of an idiot I applaud him for doing what he likes and not succumbing to what society thinks he should be doing. You only get one life and you should enjoy it as you wish.

What about countries where the law allows men to take teenage brides at 13/14?
You only get one life and should enjoy it?

Seems theres quite a few people in this thread showing the only limit to how young they'd go is the law.
Complete disregard for the maturity of the girl or power imbalance of the relationship.
Gross

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

It's wise not to date someone who is mentally a child still. That's something that the mature adult partner needs to determine and act accordingly on

But at a certain point gaps no longer mean much. After 25 and the persons involved are more than capable of making mature decisions

Obviously youthfulness is attractive to men because it signifies fertility, but it's good to know if you're dating someone mature and capable for their age, or immature and therefore vulnerable

But I'm willing to bet there is a faction of men who simply do not care about maturity gaps, and see fetching a 21 year old as a something they can parade about like a trophy where it is more about themselves than finding a meaningful/intellectual connection

I genuinely believe that's the culture around places like LA/hollywood, where circles are particularly superficial in that way

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

What about countries where the law allows men to take teenage brides at 13/14?
You only get one life and should enjoy it?

Seems theres quite a few people in this thread showing the only limit to how young they'd go is the law.
Complete disregard for the maturity of the girl or power imbalance of the relationship.
Gross

You are moving the goalposts here as we are discussing North America. What you are bringing up is a totally different debate.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

It's wise not to date someone who is mentally a child still. That's something that the mature adult partner needs to determine and act accordingly on

But at a certain point gaps no longer mean much. After 25 and the persons involved are more than capable of making mature decisions

Obviously youthfulness is attractive to men because it signifies fertility, but it's good to know if you're dating someone mature and capable for their age, or immature and therefore vulnerable

But I'm willing to bet there is a faction of men who simply do not care about maturity gaps, and see fetching a 21 year old as a something they can parade about like a trophy where it is more about themselves than finding a meaningful/intellectual connection

I genuinely believe that's the culture around places like LA/hollywood, where circles are particularly superficial in that way

Yeah, there are countless examples that show that isn't true. I invite you to review the Depp/Heard to see a classic example of how untrue that is.

I don't have a dog in this fight, but there isn't some magic age where people become smart/rational/wise. It's case by case and some people are very mature at 18/19. Some never figure it out.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

You are moving the goalposts here as we are discussing North America. What you are bringing up is a totally different debate.

No, I'm illustrating to you that the goalposts ARE moved in different countries and different times. I don't need to move them.

You're using Western goalposts to justify your position and I think there's issues of morality, ethics & coercion that are more important.
I think drawing your line strictly on where our goalposts are is problematic and leads to issues like toxic masculinity, rape culture & exploitation.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

No, I'm illustrating to you that the goalposts ARE moved in different countries and different times. I don't need to move them.

You're using Western goalposts to justify your position and I think there's issues of morality, ethics & coercion that are more important.
I think drawing your line strictly on where our goalposts are is problematic and leads to issues like toxic masculinity, rape culture & exploitation.

It's a DiCaprio thread relating to Western culture. You are taking this thread to a place it doesn't need to go and certainly a place I do not wish to engage.

[Yeah_Baby]

Leo's dad was good friends with Heidi Fleiss's dad (who as a pediatrician to the fameos)

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

It's a DiCaprio thread relating to Western culture. You are taking this thread to a place it doesn't need to go and certainly a place I do not wish to engage.

Ok then, keeping it specifically to DiCaprio and men of his age dating 19 year olds in Western culture, I think using "it's legal" as your moral compass is wrong (not legally but morally).

That suggests to me that morality, ethics & coercion don't factor into your decision making and the absence of that law would result in the absence of this lower age minimum.

I strongly disagree with you that being legal is good enough.

[Yeah_Baby]

The real moral of the story is that if Leo was gay he'd just be living the time tested and true Daddy/Twink dynamic.

[Pizza]

I love that this thread exists

Given the median age of CP users, it's probably giving a few, who regularly flirts with young women, an awakening call from all the judgement here

[Harry Lime]

I'm not sure when we are deciding when women become adults? It seems that an overall declaration is in order to make sure that everyone knows that a woman is not allowed to have any personal agency until well into their 30s.

Not just keeping Leo girlfriendless, think of the massive upshift in quality of sandwiches, if women are not allowed to make decisions for themselves until about age 32. (joke)

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

I'm not sure when we are deciding when women become adults? It seems that an overall declaration is in order to make sure that everyone knows that a woman is not allowed to have any personal agency until well into their 30s.

Not just keeping Leo girlfriendless, think of the massive upshift in quality of sandwiches, if women are not allowed to make decisions for themselves until about age 32. (joke)

for what it's worth, I think folks are more raising eyebrows at Leo's pathology there, not attacking the agency of women. But you do you, brah.

[Matata]

Originally Posted by Matata

Leos manager when he was a child actor and the showrunner of his nickelodeon show are both convicted pedophiles (plus many more at nickelodeon). I'd say the odds of Leo having been traumatized by pedos is extremely high. A common side effect of this trauma is being primarily attracted to extreme youth. If hes keeping it over 18, then he's doing the best he can.

https://www.datalounge.com/thread/29...ctim-of-abuse-

So no one wants to talk about how Leo grew up surrounded by pedophiles, in an industry that's overflowing with sexual predators, without a father in his life to protect him and how that almost certainly would have warped his sexual development. Awwwwwwww...

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

for what it's worth, I think folks are more raising eyebrows at Leo's pathology there, not attacking the agency of women. But you do you, brah.

My point is that all of the women in Leo's life are regulated as mindless, in the media coverage. It's entirely possible there are 19 year old who prefer 45 year old Dicaprios, and it's pretty much kink shaming to tell them that they are not allowed, or are not developed enough to make that call.

[TorqueDog]

This is misguided from the first sentence.

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

What about countries where the law allows men to take teenage brides at 13/14?
You only get one life and should enjoy it?

Seems theres quite a few people in this thread showing the only limit to how young they'd go is the law.
Complete disregard for the maturity of the girl or power imbalance of the relationship.
Gross

What about those countries? Those countries also see women as property. We don't, and we have laws prohibiting what you're talking about. We set those laws based on our understanding of the ability of the person to make informed choices about their behaviour and relationships with other consenting adults.

At 18/19, a person can vote, pay taxes, drink, smoke, get a tattoo without parental / guardian approval, but all that and they aren't trusted with the agency of whom they go to bed with?

The limit for some people in this thread being 'the law' isn't necessarily only because 'the law' is stopping them, this is an unfounded assumption. In this instance, the law reflects our society's beliefs at large about at what age someone is capable of making and accepting accountability for decisions that affect them, when to recognize their status as an adult.

The rest of the post is ... I don't know what it is, but it isn't worth the time to respond to it.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

My point is that all of the women in Leo's life are regulated as mindless, in the media coverage. It's entirely possible there are 19 year old who prefer 45 year old Dicaprios, and it's pretty much kink shaming to tell them that they are not allowed, or are not developed enough to make that call.

Literally no one in this thread is doing that. Whatever boogeyman media coverage you’re referring to is not really been up for debate at all in this thread. Not even sure how it’s relevant to the discussion.

You also clearly said “we” in your first post acknowledging that this is about the societal norms.

Potential concerns with Leo’s dating habits have been raised in numerous posts and I’ve not seen a single person even attempt to address them. All the responses have been concerned with refusing to engage or trying to change the discussion entirely.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

No, I'm illustrating to you that the goalposts ARE moved in different countries and different times. I don't need to move them.

You're using Western goalposts to justify your position and I think there's issues of morality, ethics & coercion that are more important.
I think drawing your line strictly on where our goalposts are is problematic and leads to issues like toxic masculinity, rape culture & exploitation.

Lol, what a ridiculous assessment.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

This is misguided from the first sentence.What about those countries? Those countries also see women as property. We don't, and we have laws prohibiting what you're talking about. We set those laws based on our understanding of the ability of the person to make informed choices about their behaviour and relationships with other consenting adults.

And they have laws allowing it.
The point was the abiding by the law maybe shouldn't be the only measure. Ironically you're illustrating the same thing by showing those countries have it wrong despite being within their laws.

At 18/19, a person can vote, pay taxes, drink, smoke, get a tattoo without parental / guardian approval, but all that and they aren't trusted with the agency of whom they go to bed with?

The limit for some people in this thread being 'the law' isn't necessarily only because 'the law' is stopping them, this is an unfounded assumption. In this instance, the law reflects our society's beliefs at large about at what age someone is capable of making and accepting accountability for decisions that affect them, when to recognize their status as an adult.

I don't have a problem with this logic; but it's not what the post I responded to was saying. My assumption wasn't unfounded based on what was posted.

If you're suggesting our laws probably have the age right and someone at that age has the agency to make those decisions, I don't have a problem with your position.

There's a difference in saying "we have the law right" vs "as long as it's within the law".
The first has you using moral judgement on the appropriateness of our laws, the 2nd has your morality based only in conforming to the laws.

[dissentowner]

What I find funny is when women do the same thing the posters saying what Leo is doing is immoral and gross don't say nothing. If Cher is hooking up with a 19 year old guy no harm no foul right? In the end it's none of our damn business.