Wait what?!?! Tkachuk wanted to sign a long term deal with the Flames six weeks prior to the trade?
Hold crap I don't recall that.
FFS.
he SAID he did publicly
We have been over this but in his end of season presser he went on about taking a step, how amazing Calgary is, and that he can "very much see himself signing a long term extension."
six weeks later its Zero chance and trade me to one of these 4 teams now, tough spot for the team to say the least
In both Gaudreau and Tkachuk's case the team would have paid them more than anyone else in the NHL...WTF is Brad supposed to do? he is playing on a tilted field. Its ridiculously stupid to say he got "fleeced"
.WTF is Brad supposed to do? he is playing on a tilted field.
This is true, which is why the Flames and Treliving can't operate like it isn't tilted. This is why it was incredibly frustrating that they allowed a franchise player to go into the final year of his contract with no ongoing dialogue about an extension. Smaller market teams, especially ones in Canada, cannot recover quickly from losing franchise players for nothing and they have to assume that non-commitment is the same as uncommitted. Gaudreau should have been traded before the season even started and the second after he said he didn't want to negotiate.
Thank goodness Tkachuk made his motives clear a year in advance and saved Treliving from himself.
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This is true, which is why the Flames and Treliving can't operate like it isn't tilted. This is why it was incredibly frustrating that they allowed a franchise player to go into the final year of his contract with no ongoing dialogue about an extension. Smaller market teams, especially ones in Canada, cannot recover quickly from losing franchise players for nothing and they have to assume that non-commitment is the same as uncommitted. Gaudreau should have been traded before the season even started and the second after he said he didn't want to negotiate.
Thank goodness Tkachuk made his motives clear a year in advance and saved Treliving from himself.
The late first and Ben hinowski would have gotten this franchise back on their feet in no time.
I'm glad they just tried to win instead of trading for a diminished return. They had a real chance to win but didn't. That's sports
The late first and Ben hinowski would have gotten this franchise back on their feet in no time.
I'm glad they just tried to win instead of trading for a diminished return. They had a real chance to win but didn't. That's sports
You really think that is what they would have received for a full season of Gaudreau? It wouldn't have been a deadline deal with only a few contenders bidding. Plus, I would hope that Treliving is a little better than Feaster.
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Gaudreau wasn't very good in the season before last was the problem...and he had a reputation of disappearing in big games. I don't see a massive haul for him at that point...heck teams weren't exactly lining up to pay him 10M with no acquisition cost after his career year either.
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He's an emotional person. You just have to read his takes on the roster, the arena, management. It's all straight from the heart and full of raw emotion and misplaced anger/blame, lol. Probably a younger fan.
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I still don't see a better deal that was available for Tkachuk.
As for Huberdeau's contract, I was reliably informed that if Treliving didn't have him and Weegar signed preseason it was a huge failure. I'd like to see if any of those people are now on the "anchor contract" bandwagon.
So Treliving tells you every offers he got?
End of the day, people on the internet don’t decide if it was a good deal. Results do and it’s not looking good for Treliving. If the Flames don’t make the playoffs, they may kiss him good bye
End of the day, people on the internet don’t decide if it was a good deal. Results do and it’s not looking good for Treliving. If the Flames don’t make the playoffs, they may kiss him good bye
It’s equally clear that Treliving may kiss the Flames goodbye.
You really think that is what they would have received for a full season of Gaudreau? It wouldn't have been a deadline deal with only a few contenders bidding. Plus, I would hope that Treliving is a little better than Feaster.
Gaudreau was coming off 107 points in 126 games in the two prior shortened seasons - which works out to a 70 point pace over 82 games.
And as Dino7c mentioned there were questions about his compete and ability to play in the playoffs.
The closest comparable traded in that 20-21 offseason would have been Sam Reinhart coming off 90 points in 103 games (60 point pace). So less prolific but similar players and Reinhart was 2 years younger.
Reinhart returned a top 10 protected 2022 1st round pick (28th overall) and Devon Levi.
The other closest comparable from that offseason was Pavel Buchnevich, he was coming off 93 points in 122 games (62 point pace) and he returned a second round pick and Sammy Blais.
So yeah I think it's safe to say Gaudreau was getting a 1st and prospect as trade return at that point, maybe an extra mid round pick, but wouldnt have been earth shattering return.
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Gaudreau was coming off 107 points in 126 games in the two prior shortened seasons - which works out to a 70 point pace over 82 games.
And as Dino7c mentioned there were questions about his compete and ability to play in the playoffs.
The closest comparable traded in that 20-21 offseason would have been Sam Reinhart coming off 90 points in 103 games (60 point pace). So less prolific but similar players and Reinhart was 2 years younger.
Reinhart returned a top 10 protected 2022 1st round pick (28th overall) and Devon Levi.
The other closest comparable from that offseason was Pavel Buchnevich, he was coming off 93 points in 122 games (62 point pace) and he returned a second round pick and Sammy Blais.
So yeah I think it's safe to say Gaudreau was getting a 1st and prospect as trade return at that point, maybe an extra mid round pick, but wouldnt have been earth shattering return.
Or another star that the other team soured on….like Huberdeau
I still don't see a better deal that was available for Tkachuk.
As for Huberdeau's contract, I was reliably informed that if Treliving didn't have him and Weegar signed preseason it was a huge failure. I'd like to see if any of those people are now on the "anchor contract" bandwagon.
I agree there was no better deal on paper for Tkachuk at the time the deal was made but Friedman has stated that the Canes were the runners up with Necas on the table who just turned 24 and has 47pts in 51 games.
I agree there was no better deal on paper for Tkachuk at the time the deal was made but Friedman has stated that the Canes were the runners up with Necas on the table who just turned 24 and has 47pts in 51 games.
Getting the younger up and coming player in Necas would have been better if they were looking at big picture in the coming years but Huberdeau at the time likely represented a better win-now option and Treliving loves himself some defenseman so the opportunity to also get Weegar easily pushed the Panthers offer over the top.
