[PGT] Flames lose 5-4 in OT to the Rangers

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

It actually didn’t.

Yeah, we got a point but lost a game in hand.

We average a point per game, we’ll end up out of the playoffs.

A point on the road against a good team is a good point

That is if you can beat the teams you are supposed to beat, like Chicago

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Mangiapane's goal - once again - demonstrated how silly and subjective the rule is. They could easily have labelled it a kick, and they could easily have labelled it a deflection. WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?

Just allow all goals off of skates already.

I have never in my life seen a hockey player purposely kick at a puck in a manner that was dangerous to other players, so what is the point of the rule as it stands? Just count them all, which will have the added benefit of fewer video reviews (which absolutely no one enjoys)

I was.once told that Matt Cooke methodically used his skate in a downward kicking motion to cut Karlssons Achilles.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by cannon7

When was the last time Markstrom got a win? Has been a while. Regulation or otherwise.

Back when people were wearing onion skins on their belts, as was the style at the time and you could get 5 bees for a quarter!

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Shooting it with your stick is still the better option 95% of the time...allowing some kicks and not others is stupid

Just allow them and be done with it IMO

Fix the "allowing some kicks" to actually call the spirit of the rule correct 100% of the time.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Do I want them over other goals? nah. Should they be allowed? No reason not to.

If you allow it, guys will be in a scrum in front of the net where their stick is tied up trying to kick the puck in the net. I don't want to watch that sport.

[Young Guns]

Why are people questioning Zadorov being on the ice in OT. He was at the end of his shift Went to make a line change before Kadri gave the puck up and forced Zadorov to abandon the line change and scramble back.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

It actually didn’t.

Yeah, we got a point but lost a game in hand.

We average a point per game, we’ll end up out of the playoffs.

Minny lost to the Yotes in regulation

Point on the road in New York is obviously a win for the Flames on the night vs. them. People need to stop looking at the Avs as the team to beat

[Always Earned Never Given]

The only "kicked in" goals that should be waved off are the ones where puck is not moving (or barely has enough inertia to cross the goal line on it's on) in the crease and the player takes a swipe with his skate to propel it in the net.

[Hot_Flatus]

I'm not sure what the answer on the Huberdeau front is at this point. It is getting very concerning that he continues to be so ineffective while the team desperately could use even the occasional game breaking play from its most skilled forward.

We have now hit the final third of the season and are at a point where he can't play in OT and is off the 1st unit PP. Has anyone really thought there was even a drop off in team play as a result? I would say it has arguably improved as a result of these moves....

[dino7c]

Wasn't Toffolli also on the 2nd PP and he has been their best shooter...I think its more about spreading things out

I would also put Huberdeau back in next 3 on 3...he facked up a couple times, its not like nobody else has. Guy was one of the best 3 on 3 players in the league last season.


People get too crazy about 3 on 3 OT mistakes IMO...it is what it is, high risk and high reward. I mean if Zadorov stops and picks up the puck Kadri and Mangiapane have a break, but he doesn't so Kadri was "dogging it"

Gaudreau used to do the same thing, wait for a big save or miss and fly the zone.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Wasn't Toffolli also on the 2nd PP and he has been their best shooter...I think its more about spreading things out

I would also put Huberdeau back in next 3 on 3...he facked up a couple times, its not like nobody else has. Guy was one of the best 3 on 3 players in the league last season.


People get too crazy about 3 on 3 OT mistakes IMO...it is what it is, high risk and high reward. I mean if Zadorov stops and picks up the puck Kadri and Mangiapane have a break, but he doesn't so Kadri was "dogging it"

Gaudreau used to do the same thing, wait for a big save or miss and fly the zone.

Yeah, theres nothing wrong with that, 2nd PP also typically plays against either a tired 1st PK or a lesser 2nd PK.

Thats alright. Toffoli has certainly been finding his spots.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Do I want them over other goals? nah. Should they be allowed? No reason not to.

The players literally have hard boots with metal blades on them tied to their fees. There are lots of obvious reasons players shouldn't be encouraged to kick the puck. Particularly, when they are often in close proximity to a goalie that may be laying in front of them.

A redirection though. That's all good.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Wasn't Toffolli also on the 2nd PP and he has been their best shooter...I think its more about spreading things out

I would also put Huberdeau back in next 3 on 3...he facked up a couple times, its not like nobody else has. Guy was one of the best 3 on 3 players in the league last season.

Yeah he was the best 3V3 player in the league in his last three years in Florida.

13 points. 14 GF 2 GA in Overtime.

Maybe you give that guy another look.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by blankall

The players literally have hard boots with metal blades on them tied to their fees. There are lots of obvious reasons players shouldn't be encouraged to kick the puck. Particularly, when they are often in close proximity to a goalie that may be laying in front of them.

A redirection though. That's all good.

They can already kick the puck and do. Just not into the net.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Yeah he was the best 3V3 player in the league in his last three years in Florida.

13 points. 14 GF 2 GA in Overtime.

Maybe you give that guy another look.

He just needs faster players with him, because he isn't. Hanifin and maybe Lindholm. You can't pair him with Toffoli and a slower D like Zadorov (who should be 4-5th on the OT depth chart anyway).

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

It actually didn’t.

Yeah, we got a point but lost a game in hand.

We average a point per game, we’ll end up out of the playoffs.

You could easily argue that's probably one of the 6 toughest games on Calgary's post all-star break schedule against the top 8 NHL teams by point %:

@Rangers
v Rangers
v Bruins
v Leafs
@ Stars
v Stars

Also if you factor in it's a road game coming out of the all-star break and a week off...you take that point.

[dustygoon]

I haven't watched the game. Sounds like Huberdeau wasn't much of a factor.

The guy is a star and that hasn't changed. How do they get him going? Can't believe an emotional game like that doesn't spark him.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

I haven't watched the game. Sounds like Huberdeau wasn't much of a factor.

The guy is a star and that hasn't changed. How do they get him going? Can't believe an emotional game like that doesn't spark him.

His line was meh and Kadri was actually bad, so that didn't help. But I think he needs a more creative guy than Kadri. Lindholm I guess. Pelletier has been good, but he's a rookie and he's not found the net yet. Pelletier is a fast puck carrier and he goes to the net, so I think eventually those two will click.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

If you allow it, guys will be in a scrum in front of the net where their stick is tied up trying to kick the puck in the net. I don't want to watch that sport.

This is the reason for the rule and I agree, don't want that. Seems like it wouldn't be that hard to only wave off goals where player is kicking at a stationary puck vs deflecting a moving one.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

This is the reason for the rule and I agree, don't want that. Seems like it wouldn't be that hard to only wave off goals where player is kicking at a stationary puck vs deflecting a moving one.

I don't like it because I think the essence of the game is using a stick to play the puck. Making the primary way you score your points in the game achievable through other means, doesn't equate to what is the fundamental skillset of the game. Why not allow directing the puck in with your hand?

I'd ban all skate redirects and kicks if it were up to me. You want to score it has to be done playing hockey.