Former Flames player performance thread - 2022/23 season

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

There was no chance the Flames were going to be able to extend Huberdeau for less than the Gaudreau offer so it was either lock him up or risk losing him in free agency.

I know this is all hindsght on my end, but trading Huberdeau to help offset the loss of Gaudreau while still keeping Weegar, Schwindt and the 1st plus signing Kadri would have sufficed as far as looking at balancing everything out.

Reality:

Gaudreau = 0
Tkachuk = [Huberdeau, Weegar, Schwindt, 1st]
Monahan + 1st = Kadri

We could have re-wrote that narrative by simply flipping Huberdeau and framing the offseason like this:

Tkachuk = [(Huberdeau), Weegar, Schwindt, 1st]
Gaudreau (by way of flipping Huberdeau) = Assets and/or cap space for signing Kadri
{Something less than Monahan + 1st} = Kadri

Again, all hindsight, but I think a lot of people would have been happy with that result, especially when framed this way in the media.

[Naitix]

Huberdeau is easily a PPG player but you need to play to his strength and play him with players that he compliments. Flames lack players that fit Huberdeau's style, I have no doubt in my mind that Tre is going to pick up/trade for players to compliment Huberdeau in the summer.
But I also think that players like Pelletier and Coronato fit Huberdeaus style, just a matter of waiting until they get comfortable at NHL level.

10.5 might seem a lot, but I bet it won't in 2-3 years. Just like how 8.5 was insane for Draisaitl but in 2 years after he signed, players worse than him (when he signed) were getting 8.5+. In 2-3 years there will be players getting 14+ and a lot of 10+ players

Ya 10.5 is an overpay, Huberdeau is closer to a 8-9 million player but that's the cost you need to pay to get free agents here. The additional 2-2.5 million for Huberdeau won't hurt the team long term

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Iggy won the Rocket Richard in 04 (along with Kovalchuk). His 67 was year 1 after the lockout and there were complaints. He did bounce back however.

There was no chance the Flames were going to be able to extend Huberdeau for less than the Gaudreau offer so it was either lock him up or risk losing him in free agency. There was likely no way they were trading him this season unless things went way off the rails. While it make not look great now the logic made sense.

My mistake...although he did only have 73 points in 2004 so the point remains

all those years he was in the 90s the Flames did fack all...people would certainly prefer fewer regular season points with playoff success. That goes for any player obviously

[activeStick]

Oof the writer really tears into Huberdeau here

https://twitter.com/user/status/1620770378808455169

[dino7c]

oh no, not....

Jack Han?

Huberdeau has been very good at times in Calgary...will likely be an PPG player next season, especially if he gets proper linemates. This looks like a guy trying to get eyeballs to me

[bdubbs]

He was going on and on about it on the Fan 960 this morning too.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Oof the writer really tears into Huberdeau here

https://twitter.com/user/status/1620770378808455169

Hopefully this lights a fire under Huberdeaus derriere for the rest of the season and the post season.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Who is Jack Han?

Most overrated point producers lol ok. How was be producing at a ppg prior to his 115 point season?

Seems like his crappy website and analytics needs a cash grab.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Oof the writer really tears into Huberdeau here

https://twitter.com/user/status/1620770378808455169

Yeah, this is a lot of what I’ve been saying this season and also what made me fearful of him joining Sutter’s system. If you watch Huberdeau’s highlights, you see a lot of odd man rushes, breakaways, no look passes, spinning passes and all sorts of things you’d see in a wide open pond hockey type of system that was deployed by Florida.

That’s not the case here at all, Darryl deploys basically the exact opposite style which is generally tighter checking, lower scoring and hotly contested matches. Darryl basically plays playoff style hockey 24/7 which for the record, I don’t think is actually a bad thing, but I don’t think it suits Huberdeau’s style at all. Even when he does try his fancy no look stuff, it gets picked off because there’s always a body or stick in the way.

But ultimately, it is up to the player to adjust and I think that’s where Huberdeau has struggled. Like I said earlier in the season, he doesn’t do enough foundational things to give himself the chance to regularly succeed like winning enough puck battles and 50/50s. Like Jack said in his article, he folds like a paper towel when the opposition initiates contact and it’s kind of true, he’s committed a lot of turnovers this season because he either gets rubbed out with ease or he rushes plays to avoid oncoming contact. it is also true that contested pucks are dime a dozen, so that’s why it’s important for Huberdeau to continue to grow in this area of the game.

[bc-chris]

https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/jar...tzky-1.6738381

At almost 51, Jaromir Jagr scores his record 1,099th goal, surpassing Gretzky

Jaromir Jagr celebrated his 51st birthday about a week early by scoring his 1,099th goal to overtake Wayne Gretzky at the top of the chart.
Jagr, who will turn 51 on Feb. 15, scored for the Kladno Knights on Sunday in 5-4 loss at Trinec in the Czech league.
...
Jagr completed his career in North America with 844 regular season and playoff goals. He added 93 goals in the Russian league/Kontinental Hockey League, 107 in the Czechoslovak and Czech leagues and 55 at international competitions, including the Olympics, World Cups, world championships and Euro Hockey Tours.
Gretzky, the record scorer in the NHL with 894 goals, had 1,072 regular season and playoff goals in the NHL and WHA, and 26 at international adult tournaments.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Yeah, this is a lot of what I’ve been saying this season and also what made me fearful of him joining Sutter’s system. If you watch Huberdeau’s highlights, you see a lot of odd man rushes, breakaways, no look passes, spinning passes and all sorts of things you’d see in a wide open pond hockey type of system that was deployed by Florida.

That’s not the case here at all, Darryl deploys basically the exact opposite style which is generally tighter checking, lower scoring and hotly contested matches. Darryl basically plays playoff style hockey 24/7 which for the record, I don’t think is actually a bad thing, but I don’t think it suits Huberdeau’s style at all. Even when he does try his fancy no look stuff, it gets picked off because there’s always a body or stick in the way.

But ultimately, it is up to the player to adjust and I think that’s where Huberdeau has struggled. Like I said earlier in the season, he doesn’t do enough foundational things to give himself the chance to regularly succeed like winning enough puck battles and 50/50s. Like Jack said in his article, he folds like a paper towel when the opposition initiates contact and it’s kind of true, he’s committed a lot of turnovers this season because he either gets rubbed out with ease or he rushes plays to avoid oncoming contact. it is also true that contested pucks are dime a dozen, so that’s why it’s important for Huberdeau to continue to grow in this area of the game.

Those are some good observations and I agree. One thing I noticed from watching clips of Huberdeau in Florida is that he seemed to get a lot of scoring chances right after trading chances with the opposing team. That type of game just won't fly with Sutter, nor is it particularly useful in the playoffs when things tighten up. Probably explains why Huberdeau has not been a really effective player in the playoffs so far.

The other things really missing are the individual efforts, and this is squarely on Huberdeau. Looking at Florida clips, there were many times that he was being hounded by the opposition only to make them look silly. This year, he seems to lose those battles way too often. This might be a motivation problem, but there is no way you can blame coaching or line mates for that.

I do think Huberdeau misses a player like Bennett though. If there is one thing Bennett does well is draw attention away from his line mates. There were so many times that Bennett would lure two players leaving Huberdeau wide open. It was disappointing that Huberdeau couldn't get it working with Lindholm and Toffoli, but not surprising to see him look better with Kadri who I think does more of what Bennett was doing for him in Florida.

[Paulie Walnuts]

646 points in in 714 games. Never seen someone and posters poke so many holes in a players game that has put up those numbers. People are making it seem like the guy is a bum. Hes been racking up those secondary assists his entire career.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

646 points in in 714 games. Never seen someone and posters poke so many holes in a players game that has put up those numbers. People are making it seem like the guy is a bum. Hes been racking up those secondary assists his entire career.

Absolutely no one is saying he was bad in Florida, but how many points he got as a Panther is meaningless to how he is playing as a Flame. Unless you can somehow make those points count now, or if Florida wants to take some of the cap hit for helping them in the past, it has absolutely no bearing on Huberdeau as a Flame for the next 8 years.

If what worked in Florida won't work here, then it is a disaster. Looking up his historical stats as a Panther does nothing to mitigate that. It's great that he has the ability to put up points, but if he isn't using that ability here, who cares? Sure, management and coaches need to figure out how to compliment his style to try and get him going, but a big part of this rests on Huberdeau. He isn't pulling through with the same individual ability that he did in Florida and only he can turn that part around.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by bc-chris

https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/jar...tzky-1.6738381

Seems legit to me. Everyone wants to use WHA stats for NHL records... if that's the case, then Euro pro leagues also count.

Jagr is the new all-time #1 goal-scorer in all of professional hockey!

(not even being sarcastic)

#GRETZREKT

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

646 points in in 714 games. Never seen someone and posters poke so many holes in a players game that has put up those numbers. People are making it seem like the guy is a bum. Hes been racking up those secondary assists his entire career.

Well too bad our highly paid brain-trust didn't poke more holes in his game before they acquired/signed him to that massive franchise record breaking $84M deal. They seemingly have traded for a couple of guys who excel at playing rope-a-dope hockey, but when the game changes, they struggle to produce at the same level. I mean were their playoff numbers even discussed when those contracts came up? The pair went from a combined 0.99 points per game in the regular season to 0.30 when the calendar flipped over.

For the record, I don't think Huberdeau or Weegar are "bums." But hockey isn't always as simple as 100+ point guy here will be a 100+ point guy anywhere, situation, play style, linemates and etc are all factors. Coincidently, we've even seen this story line before involving the same 2 teams. Olli Jokinen and Jay Bouwmeester just could not capture the same magic in Calgary as opposed to when they were superstars down in Florida. Not saying it'll end up the same, but there is a history in this league of players not being able to replicate what they use to do on a different team.

[Saqe]

Tkachuk again with a goal and two beautiful apples tonight. I always thought he was underrated as a passer but he's been rivaling Huberdeau's ability this year, which I never thought I would say.

[soulchoice]

Originally Posted by Saqe

Tkachuk again with a goal and two beautiful apples tonight. I always thought he was underrated as a passer but he's been rivaling Huberdeau's ability this year, which I never thought I would say.

When you have elite hands and hockey sense, with the desire to battle in the dirty areas, points will come.

[Bonded]

Would be nice if Huberdeau had a four point game

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Would be nice if Huberdeau had a four point game

5 now.

His 71 points ties him with Hubbie and Kadri.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

5 now.

His 71 points ties him with Hubbie and Kadri.

Well I thought he’d get 80ish points. Proving me wrong