getting a little tired of the crack/meth heads

[Slava]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Slava made the following post not long before Wormius made almost the exact same post a bit later, and Wormius’ post was the one people took exception too, including Slava (apparently not realizing Wormius was just repeating what he said).





The only difference is the viewpoint of the people who each poster advocated the encampment being moved towards. I can respect to your opinion on this issue even if I disagree with a few significant aspects of it, but I’m sorry, it’s too funny that Slava got all “but my fwamiwy!” after Wormius proposed the exact same thing that he did, albeit him being the one affected instead of some person he doesn’t know.

I really don't think my thought on this is too hard to figure out. These people need to be somewhere, and I support that. I actually support things like rehabilitation, safe injection and those types of programs...somewhere else. I've seen these homeless camps in large US cities and I'm not ashamed to admit they're frightening. It's not an exaggeration to say that it scares me, and makes me entirely uncomfortable.

So, yeah, I do have concerns about having one of these near me and my family. You can take a run at me for that and make your hilarious "my fwamiwy" comments or whatever. It really doesn't change my opinion that "we" shouldn't be accepting and normalizing this.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Well, my take from Slava’s original post was that the judge was wrong for allowing the encampment to stay; meaning the police should be allowed to raze it and then homeless can just fend for themselves in the middle of winter with inadequate access to shelters.

I almost 100% guarantee that if the homeless camp was next door to the judge his opinion would be quite different. Which, to me, is also completely rational.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Well, my take from Slava’s original post was that the judge was wrong for allowing the encampment to stay; meaning the police should be allowed to raze it and then homeless can just fend for themselves in the middle of winter with inadequate access to shelters.

Are there port-a-potties or anything in these tent cities? I don't go downtown as I don't like leaving my utopia, but I do have a bee in my bonnet on this issue and I am curious. Maybe we let them stay as we set up the warehouses in Airdrie where they should be housed, but I think that can be done within 60 days. As a stop-gap, I'm perfectly happy with my tax dollars supplying these guys with some port-a-potties.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Slava

I really don't think my thought on this is too hard to figure out. These people need to be somewhere, and I support that. I actually support things like rehabilitation, safe injection and those types of programs...somewhere else. I've seen these homeless camps in large US cities and I'm not ashamed to admit they're frightening. It's not an exaggeration to say that it scares me, and makes me entirely uncomfortable.

So, yeah, I do have concerns about having one of these near me and my family. You can take a run at me for that and make your hilarious "my fwamiwy" comments or whatever. It really doesn't change my opinion that "we" shouldn't be accepting and normalizing this.

I'm obviously with you on this, but you gotta admit, when in one of these disagreements where nobody is budging, it does add a little pizzazz to belittle their argument with little bites like that.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Slava

I really don't think my thought on this is too hard to figure out. These people need to be somewhere, and I support that. I actually support things like rehabilitation, safe injection and those types of programs...somewhere else. I've seen these homeless camps in large US cities and I'm not ashamed to admit they're frightening. It's not an exaggeration to say that it scares me, and makes me entirely uncomfortable.

So, yeah, I do have concerns about having one of these near me and my family. You can take a run at me for that and make your hilarious "my fwamiwy" comments or whatever. It really doesn't change my opinion that "we" shouldn't be accepting and normalizing this.

Right, so why would you suggest that it move in next to someone who you disagree with?

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Right, so why would you suggest that it move in next to someone who you disagree with?

WTF PF, you're not getting what he's saying haha.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Are there port-a-potties or anything in these tent cities? I don't go downtown as I don't like leaving my utopia, but I do have a bee in my bonnet on this issue and I am curious. Maybe we let them stay as we set up the warehouses in Airdrie where they should be housed, but I think that can be done within 60 days. As a stop-gap, I'm perfectly happy with my tax dollars supplying these guys with some port-a-potties.

I have no idea. This is on a gravel lot of public land in Ontario. Maybe even that is still too close for Slava to be comfortable with.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Sliver

WTF PF, you're not getting what he's saying haha.

No, now he’s saying something different. I didn’t get an answer to my question about this:

Originally Posted by Slava

Maybe those folks should set that camp up next door to the judge.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

No, now he’s saying something different. I didn’t get an answer to my question about this:

What am I saying that's different? I'm saying that if this judge thinks there's nothing that can be done and these people are fine setting up camp, he can have this next to him. I'm not cool with it and don't want it next to me. Seems like a pretty simple position?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Slava

What am I saying that's different? I'm saying that if this judge thinks there's nothing that can be done and these people are fine setting up camp, he can have this next to him. I'm not cool with it and don't want it next to me. Seems like a pretty simple position?

But if you don’t care about the judge’s family and how they feel, why should anyone care about you and yours?

Because the judge decides there is no recourse for the situation through the courts, you believe he’s cool with it being beside him? Or you don’t think he would be, but you want him exposed to it anyway, which is the same thing Wormius said that you whined about?

[Slava]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

But if you don’t care about the judge’s family and how they feel, why should anyone care about you and yours?

Because the judge decides there is no recourse for the situation through the courts, you believe he’s cool with it being beside him? Or you don’t think he would be, but you want him exposed to it anyway, which is the same thing Wormius said that you whined about?

I just think if some people are cool with this kind of thing and have no issues, power to them. They can live next to these encampments when they normalize them because I won't be.

[shogged]

maybe the worst part about the crack heads is it gave rise to this thread, which in turn gave people another platform to virtue signal from

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Slava

I just think if some people are cool with this kind of thing and have no issues, power to them. They can live next to these encampments when they normalize them

That’s disingenuous, no? Nobody wants to live next to an encampment. Have you ever actually experienced a large one first hand? Not nice.

The judge suggesting that the city needed to ensure there was accessible, low-barrier shelter is not saying “encampments are great and normal!” The ruling was simply that you can not rip up their tents and send them out into the cold. If the city had an accessible shelter (like Calgary’s Drop In or Mustard Seed) then the ruling would have been different.

Acting like the judge is “cool” with it or was trying to normalize it is dumb. Nobody is cool with it. Not even the most empathetic people want it to be a normal thing. Everyone, including the judge, believes people have a right to shelter, and believe that cities should provide shelter for unhoused individuals instead of leaving them to sleep outside and make camps.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

That’s disingenuous, no? Nobody wants to live next to an encampment. Have you ever actually experienced a large one first hand? Not nice.

The judge suggesting that the city needed to ensure there was accessible, low-barrier shelter is not saying “encampments are great and normal!” The ruling was simply that you can not rip up their tents and send them out into the cold. If the city had an accessible shelter (like Calgary’s Drop In or Mustard Seed) then the ruling would have been different.

Acting like the judge is “cool” with it or was trying to normalize it is dumb. Nobody is cool with it. Not even the most empathetic people want it to be a normal thing. Everyone, including the judge, believes people have a right to shelter, and believe that cities should provide shelter for unhoused individuals instead of leaving them to sleep outside and make camps.

Stepping away from this argument. Generally speaking, what is your proposed solution to the problem?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by shogged

maybe the worst part about the crack heads is it gave rise to this thread, which in turn gave people another platform to virtue signal from

It’s crazy that someone is forcing you to read this stuff against your will. Should we call someone for a wellness check? Can you just click a button on your medic alert bracelet or something and call for help?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Stepping away from this argument. Generally speaking, what is your proposed solution to the problem?

For an encampment? or the homeless issue in general? Because I agree with the judge on the former (cities need low barrier emergency shelters if they don’t want encampments) and I’ve gone into detail about the latter in this thread I think (prefer permanent housing options, better access to rehab and mental health services, criminalize certain aspects of homeless once you have adequate supports in place, etc)

[Red Slinger]

Originally Posted by shogged

maybe the worst part about the crack heads is it gave rise to this thread, which in turn gave people another platform to virtue signal from

...which gave people another platform to rail against virtue signaling, which in turn gave people another platform to point out logical arguments, which in turn gave rise to...

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

For an encampment? or the homeless issue in general?

Neither - I think the problem posed by the thread isn't "make it so there aren't homeless people", but "make it so that people are safe from aggressive public harassment when carrying on their normal lives". Eliminating homelessness would certainly be one way to solve that problem, but it's a solution that's broader than the issue as presented. Aggressive draconian police measures might also solve said problem, but no one is on board for that (except White Out 403 apparently).

I think your position earlier in the thread seemed to be that it's one or another - either we take broad measures to tackle the homeless problem (and the associated problem of drug use in public spaces) in a more holistic way, taking some of the steps you've just mentioned, or we just go full "jackboot thug" on them and use brute force to relocate or incarcerate anyone who might bother someone. Is that your view, or is there a third option?

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by Slava

I just think if some people are cool with this kind of thing and have no issues, power to them. They can live next to these encampments when they normalize them because I won't be.

We already know that having a Ctrain station nearby is a liability crime wise for a neighborhood even before the rise in open drug use. Hopefully it won't end up the same for playgrounds or parks (or things like empty lots).


https://globalnews.ca/news/9424029/v...ss-camp-costs/

A pair of longstanding homeless encampments in the City of Vancouver have cost taxpayers more than $6 million since 2018, data obtained by Global News shows.

Last May, a man was murdered in CRAB Park, and the ongoing encampment there saw a mass stabbing in October and a major tent fire in December.

An innocent man was also murdered in the previous Oppenheimer Park encampment. The same encampment also was the scene of a shooting and what Vancouver police described as a “horrific” sexual assault.

Strathcona Park’s tent city was the scene of fires, overdose deaths and the serious assaults of two men, one of whom later died.

Lewis, who said she was attacked by a stranger during the chaos associated with the Strathcona Park encampment in Oct. 2020, is hopeful the new ABC majority on Vancouver city council will be more proactive in addressing the issue.

Vancouver’s mayor said the city can’t solve this alone.

[shogged]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

It’s crazy that someone is forcing you to read this stuff against your will. Should we call someone for a wellness check? Can you just click a button on your medic alert bracelet or something and call for help?

I love that you self identified with, and subsequently took offence to my post lol you’re usually more creative than ageism though, off day for you? Maybe it was the second hand meth smoke from your transit ride this morning?