[Trade] Horvat (25% retained) to NYI for Beauvillier, Raty, and protected 2023 1st - Page 9 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

dino7c · 01-30-2023, 09:09 PM

Beauvillier makes over 4M next season, somebody elsewhere made a good point. Islanders would probably need to pay for someone to take that contract in the offseason. Worst case they lose every game until the TD and trade Horvat for slightly worse...maybe better prospects/worse pick. They still shed over 4M for next season.

Honestly the Islanders could miss the playoffs or make it to the conference finals...they are an odd team

Vinny01 · 01-30-2023, 09:34 PM

Feels like most of the articles I have read call this a lose-lose trade. Lou is way too old for this. Typical rental return for the Canucks. Pick, prospect, player. I saw Canuck fans on Twitter try and argue they were getting Shane Wright for Horvat which was beyond delusional. If they hit on the 1st rounder then it is a win eventually, if Horvat signs then the Islanders have another aging player which seems to be up their alley

LGA · 01-30-2023, 10:02 PM

This feels like a deal where everyone loses. Lou makes an odd trade to give up some futures to acquire a guy that you're going to have to overpay to keep, for a position they weren't lacking. Vancouver was probably hoping for a slightly bigger return, but more importantly, definitely letting everyone in the locker room know that anyone that backed Horvat chose the wrong horse. Horvat's pace and production overall are probably going to drop with the Islanders.

SuperMatt18 · 01-30-2023, 10:29 PM

My bold prediction is Beauvillier on the Canucks out produces Horvat on the Islanders down the stretch.

dino7c · 01-30-2023, 10:31 PM

Beauvillier is a cap dump, not a player that adds value to this trade...if anything the value is in the Islanders saving over 4M for next season

SuperMatt18 · 01-30-2023, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

Beauvillier is a cap dump, not a player that adds value to this trade...if anything the value is in the Islanders saving over 4M for next season

Maybe. I think that's selling him short, hes an okay player that has seen his shooting percentage collapse.

Their 5v5 productuon in the 3 seasons prior to this one:

Beauvillier: 28 goals, 71 points, 9.52% shooting
Horvat: 28 goals, 74 points, 8.75% shooting percentage.

I like Bo Horvat but his stats this year are 100% from an unsustainvale shooting percentage.

The Islanders are a very structured defensive team that dont produce a ton of offense, the Canucks are going to be playing loose. Tough to transition from no structure to all structure

Also he's going to the second worst PP in the league, so his PP stats might take a hit.

dino7c · 01-30-2023, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Maybe. I think that's selling him short, hes an okay player that has seen his shooting percentage collapse.

Their 5v5 productuon in the 3 seasons prior to this one:

Beauvillier: 28 goals, 71 points, 9.52% shooting
Horvat: 28 goals, 74 points, 8.75% shooting percentage.

The Islanders are a very structured defensive team that dont produce a ton of offense, the Canucks are going to be playing loose.

being a very good powerplay player is obviously a good thing...those goals count just as much on the scoreboard.

Also, even if he did play great for the Canucks how exactly does that help them? They want to be as bad as possible...they also could use that 4M to gain more assets if they didn't have to pay him. I'm sure Vancouver would have rather not got him at all...it's a +value towards the Islanders.

Blaster86 · 01-30-2023, 10:51 PM

He's not a cap dump, he is going for cap purposes.

Roof-Daddy · 01-30-2023, 10:51 PM

Nucks pulling out all the stops trying to get the best odds they can at Bedard.

You know it's going to happen.

dino7c · 01-30-2023, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Blaster86

He's not a cap dump, he is going for cap purposes.

lol

Sandman · 01-30-2023, 10:54 PM

I could easily see Beauvillier turning a corner on a new team. He's got tons of skill and speed, but he just hasn't put it all together- perhaps a new situation will benefit him.

I agree with the point made that Horvat gives the Isles another older player, and while he's having a huge year, he's really more of a 60-point guy. That's not a bad thing, but he's only getting older. I think the 'nucks did well here to pick up Raty-a guy who I believe will outproduce what Horvat has done, and a first in a very strong draft.

dino7c · 01-30-2023, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by sandman

i could easily see beauvillier turning a corner on a new team. He's got tons of skill and speed, but he just hasn't put it all together- perhaps a new situation will benefit him.

I agree with the point made that horvat gives the isles another older player, and while he's having a huge year, he's really more of a 60-point guy. That's not a bad thing, but he's only getting older. I think the 'nucks did well here to pick up raty-a guy who i believe will outproduce what horvat has done, and a first in a very strong draft.

wat

GL with that one

Harry Lime · 01-30-2023, 11:01 PM

This is the thread of off-evaluations. I think that it's a good trade for both teams, but puts the Isle in 'win now' because Lou is going to retire soon and has no interest in rebuilding. I think that Van wins the trade though. With Beauvillier there I think that they can now move Garland, and Raty is a physical player that has taken a year to acclimatize to each new league he's been put in, but has then taken off in production after. Add to that the 1st.

SuperMatt18 · 01-30-2023, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

being a very good powerplay player is obviously a good thing...those goals count just as much on the scoreboard.

Also, even if he did play great for the Canucks how exactly does that help them? They want to be as bad as possible...they also could use that 4M to gain more assets if they didn't have to pay him. I'm sure Vancouver would have rather not got him at all...it's a +value towards the Islanders.

Their points per 60 on the PP is identical over those three years - Horvat just got double the PP ice time. (Horvat: 4.0 / Beauvillier: 3.9)

You can continue to act like he's trash but Beauvillier is an alright player that could have some upside. Similar to Bennett I think he needed a change of scenary to a less restricitve offensive system for his offense to show up, I could see that being Vancouver.

Honestly the next 80 games before next trade deadline are the perfect pump and dump opportunity for the Canucks and Beauvillier before he's a UFA.

For the Islanders this is the ultimate buy high and sell low trade.

dino7c · 01-30-2023, 11:08 PM

some of you are really under rating Horvat

The guy has 7 20 goal seasons in a row including 30+ in the last two with a big plus this season
(I am counting 19 in the 56 game bubble season)

Goal scoring is the hardest thing to do in this league

Beauvillier and Ratay are going to outplay him now? yeah I highly doubt it. Maybe when he is 35 and they are younger if they are still in the league.

Sandman · 01-30-2023, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

wat

GL with that one

Like I said, Horvat is more of a 60-point guy. I think Raty will end up better than that. Let's meet back here in 7 years.

dino7c · 01-30-2023, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandman

Like I said, Horvat is more of a 60-point guy. I think Raty will end up better than that. Let's meet back here in 7 years.

sure thing...guy has 7 20+ goal seasons in a row...likely will be 8 next season. He is a top end scorer in the NHL
Extremely unlikely Raty is anywhere near that

He is also going to score 80 points this season and near 50 goals...guy is 27 not 37 he probably has a few good ones left

dissentowner · 01-30-2023, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandman

Like I said, Horvat is more of a 60-point guy. I think Raty will end up better than that. Let's meet back here in 7 years.

Yes, let's. I think Raty at his highest upside is a 30-40 point player, he might not even become an NHL player imo. Not to mention Horvat is the better two way player, better skater, and a proven leader.

Sandman · 01-30-2023, 11:19 PM

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Yes, let's. I think Raty at his highest upside is a 30-40 point player, he might not even become an NHL player imo. Not to mention Horvat is the better two way player, better skater, and a proven leader.

In no universe is Horvat a better skater than Raty. Skating has never been Horvat's primary attribute, all the way back to his draft.

dino7c · 01-30-2023, 11:20 PM

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In no universe is Horvat a better skater than Raty. Skating has never been Horvat's primary attribute, all the way back to his draft.

The likelyhood of him having a better career than Horvat is almost zero, Horvat is 27 and has over 200 goals and over 400 points

that's with missing a lot of games