[Trade] Horvat (25% retained) to NYI for Beauvillier, Raty, and protected 2023 1st

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by butterfly

I kind of think Vancouver won. They got all that for 30 games of Bo Horvat?

New York could have signed Horvat for free in a few months if they wanted to. That's a lot to bet on a 20% chance to make the playoffs (via 538,) and then what? A waste of eight days against Boston?

That is not a lot to not have to negotiate against a bunch of other teams in UFA. The Islanders will throw a boatload of cash at him and he will sign there. So it is really locking down a #1 C just hitting his prime plus a chance to make a run at some playoff revenue. For a mid 1st and two meh players that is pretty damn good.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by calumniate

Reeks of the jarmoh trade

When do UFAs really get more?

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

That is not a lot to not have to negotiate against a bunch of other teams in UFA. The Islanders will throw a boatload of cash at him and he will sign there. So it is really locking down a #1 C just hitting his prime plus a chance to make a run at some playoff revenue. For a mid 1st and two meh players that is pretty damn good.

They'll still throw a boatload of cash at him after he can hear other offers. If I was Horvat, I'd want to hear them.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Bonded

When do UFAs really get more?

They don't, which is why it's insane some Canucks fans expected a Bowen Byram esque player.

[Hockey_Ninja]

I do wonder what Demko would get in a trade

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Raty is such a good/interesting prospect. Taken 7 sports after Stromgren. 5 or so spots after Stankoven. Was formerly projected to be a top 5 pick.

But he’s not exactly lighting up the AHL. Zary and Pelletier out produce him.

Zary and Pelletier are 2 years older. Huge difference.

[The Cobra]

The Islanders obviously want Horvat to centre Brazal.

Should be a great match.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Zary and Pelletier are 2 years older. Huge difference.

20 year old Pelletier scored 62 points in 66 games his AHL rookie year. Definitely better than what Räty has produced so far in the A. But AHL numbers don’t always tell the whole story so we’ll see if he can develop into a top 6 forward in the NHL.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

20 year old Pelletier scored 62 points in 66 games his AHL rookie year. Definitely better than what Räty has produced so far in the A. But AHL numbers don’t always tell the whole story so we’ll see if he can develop into a top 6 forward in the NHL.

Players with size typically take longer than players that play a speed game. Doesn’t mean he is better than Pelletier but got to give him a bit more time

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by butterfly

They'll still throw a boatload of cash at him after he can hear other offers. If I was Horvat, I'd want to hear them.

Why would he risk that though? With the cap being what it is he might get less. We have seen that play out before.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Players with size typically take longer than players that play a speed game. Doesn’t mean he is better than Pelletier but got to give him a bit more time

Well that isn't true at all, the NHL is full of players that made an impact right away that have size.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Why would he risk that though? With the cap being what it is he might get less. We have seen that play out before.

What's the risk? New York willing to overpay on June 30 and then rescinding the offer on July 1, then nobody else willing to overpay?

It's possible, but unlikely. You're 28 and going to cash in for the only time in your life; at least listen to some offers and don't get your mind blown by the first one you see.

[topfiverecords]

It doesn’t matter what anyone tries to project Raty at. The truth is he’s a Canuck now and therefore no good.

[Boreal]

It’s nice to see things come full circle. Lou traded the pick that became Horvat for Cory Schneider, now maybe they can play together.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

20 year old Pelletier scored 62 points in 66 games his AHL rookie year. Definitely better than what Räty has produced so far in the A. But AHL numbers don’t always tell the whole story so we’ll see if he can develop into a top 6 forward in the NHL.

Again, he is 19 playing in the AHL.

At that age, Pelletier was still in junior.

[FlamesAddiction]

Imagine tying your team to Miller and then having to trade Horvat or lest him walk.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Imagine tying your team to Miller and then having to trade Horvat or lest him walk.

FWiW, I'd have traded both of them.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Man, how did Miller become so cancerous so quickly

or was this happening for a while under the radar

his current contract looked pretty appealing last summer

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

FWiW, I'd have traded both of them.

Well at least you got half your wish and the Canucks got rid of Horvat

[butterfly]

A 'mid-round first' like it's nothing. That's Backlund, Coronato, Pelletier, Larkin, Chychrun, Alex Tuch, Zadorov, Pulock, etc. etc.

And this draft is supposed to be deep. You've got a heck of a chance to pick up a good player for years, in exchange for 30 games of Bo Horvat. And they can still do whatever they want with the two players they got.