Fata that. If I have a fwd car and two good tires, they're going on the front. Fronts are more important for stopping and accelerating. Fish tails can be controlled with throttle. I know it's common practice to say best go on the rear, but it's bs and wrong imo.
Not to pick on you, but I love these opinions. The most brilliant minds in vehicle physics, including those who actually make the products, are idiots and are wrong. It’s MY uninformed opinion based on my perception that is correct!
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Fata that. If I have a fwd car and two good tires, they're going on the front. Fronts are more important for stopping and accelerating. Fish tails can be controlled with throttle. I know it's common practice to say best go on the rear, but it's bs and wrong imo.
How to be completely wrong and a danger to everyone around you at the same time.
Fata that. If I have a fwd car and two good tires, they're going on the front. Fronts are more important for stopping and accelerating. Fish tails can be controlled with throttle. I know it's common practice to say best go on the rear, but it's bs and wrong imo.
Both are wrong, the science says it's all about 4 way balance, your car will handle better with 4 tires at 50% than 2x80% + 2x20% in any conditions.
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In the video on that Weather Network link there's a shot of the radar that shows how "bandy" the snow was across the city, with tons in some areas and very little elsewhere.
Yeah, in hindsight I can see why they forecasted 2cm of snow. If those bands of snow were further east of the city it would have been way less for all of Calgary. Everything just lined up perfectly.
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Not to pick on you, but I love these opinions. The most brilliant minds in vehicle physics, including those who actually make the products, are idiots and are wrong. It’s MY uninformed opinion based on my perception that is correct!
I've done it. Two Blizzaks on the front and #### tires on the back of my '87 Celica GTS when I was 21ish. It was a beast. Straight up the fortress road. Rally car slides at will and then hit some gas to pull straight out. It's brain dead to do it the opposite and it's a hill I'm willing to die on. I know what people say on this, but get back to me after you've tried it.
I've done it. Two Blizzaks on the front and #### tires on the back of my '87 Celica GTS when I was 21ish. It was a beast. Straight up the fortress road. Rally car slides at will and then hit some gas to pull straight out. It's brain dead to do it the opposite and it's a hill I'm willing to die on. I know what people say on this, but get back to me after you've tried it.
I've done it as well when I was young and trying to save money. At the end of the day it was worse in every case (outside of initial traction from a stop) than running 4 all-season tires. The handling balance on slippery roads was extremely poor.
i've done it as well when i was young and trying to save money. At the end of the day it was worse in every case (outside of initial traction from a stop) than running 4 all-season tires. The handling balance on slippery roads was extremely poor.
fwd?
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I've done it. Two Blizzaks on the front and #### tires on the back of my '87 Celica GTS when I was 21ish. It was a beast. Straight up the fortress road. Rally car slides at will and then hit some gas to pull straight out. It's brain dead to do it the opposite and it's a hill I'm willing to die on. I know what people say on this, but get back to me after you've tried it.
Well hey, you do you. Nobody is accusing you of being smart. What happens going downhill through corners or under breaking? Sure this was done 'back in the day', but I wouldn't be promoting it here. Accidents cost lives
Well hey, you do you. Nobody is accusing you of being smart. What happens going downhill through corners or under breaking? Sure this was done 'back in the day', but I wouldn't be promoting it here. Accidents cost lives
lol, 'promoting it.' I'm not fataing promoting it. I'm answering a hypothetical question. What happens when you go down hill or brake with the good tires in front? You fataing stop better because the fronts do most of the braking in every car under any scenario, anyway. What happens when you corner? The front tires - you know, the ones that turn and dictate the direction of travel - point where you want to go and slight gas pedal input make you go that way. It's really that simple. If you can't do the exercise of those things in your mind, trust me because I've done it in real life.
Accidents cost lives. Jfc. Wtf is this? If anybody thinks throwing two good tires on the front and two #### tires in the back is a good idea then they are a dope of the highest order. Like, what kind of idiot would you have to be to think that was a good idea. Four good tires is what we should all be on.
If, however, you were sitting in the land of make believe and you had two good tires, two bad tires, a fwd car and it was a snowy day, what would you do? I would put the good tires on the front because I'm not ######ed. If you put the #### tires in front you would be spinning like a clown not even moving from a stop while the good tires just sat there doing nothing to help your cause. Then, say you got going, you would plow out on the first corner as your car wouldn't go in the direction you try to point it since it would lack the grip to actually corner. Finally, say you could go, you would be unable to stop as fast as me because the weight of the vehicle sits primarily over the front tires during braking and your tires would have no grip.
"Accidents cost lives." Are you kidding me? Did you honestly type that with a straight face?
What happens when you go down hill or brake with the good tires in front? You fataing stop better because the fronts do most of the braking in every car under any scenario, anyway. What happens when you corner? The front tires - you know, the ones that turn and dictate the direction of travel - point where you want to go and slight gas pedal input make you go that way. It's really that simple. If you can't do the exercise of those things in your mind, trust me because I've done it in real life.
lol, 'promoting it.' I'm not fataing promoting it. I'm answering a hypothetical question. What happens when you go down hill or brake with the good tires in front? You fataing stop better because the fronts do most of the braking in every car under any scenario, anyway. What happens when you corner? The front tires - you know, the ones that turn and dictate the direction of travel - point where you want to go and slight gas pedal input make you go that way. It's really that simple. If you can't do the exercise of those things in your mind, trust me because I've done it in real life.
Accidents cost lives. Jfc. Wtf is this? If anybody thinks throwing two good tires on the front and two #### tires in the back is a good idea then they are a dope of the highest order. Like, what kind of idiot would you have to be to think that was a good idea. Four good tires is what we should all be on.
If, however, you were sitting in the land of make believe and you had two good tires, two bad tires, a fwd car and it was a snowy day, what would you do? I would put the good tires on the front because I'm not ######ed. If you put the #### tires in front you would be spinning like a clown not even moving from a stop while the good tires just sat there doing nothing to help your cause. Then, say you got going, you would plow out on the first corner as your car wouldn't go in the direction you try to point it since it would lack the grip to actually corner. Finally, say you could go, you would be unable to stop as fast as me because the weight of the vehicle sits primarily over the front tires during braking and your tires would have no grip.
"Accidents cost lives." Are you kidding me? Did you honestly type that with a straight face?
lol, 'promoting it.' I'm not fataing promoting it. I'm answering a hypothetical question. What happens when you go down hill or brake with the good tires in front? You fataing stop better because the fronts do most of the braking in every car under any scenario, anyway. What happens when you corner? The front tires - you know, the ones that turn and dictate the direction of travel - point where you want to go and slight gas pedal input make you go that way. It's really that simple. If you can't do the exercise of those things in your mind, trust me because I've done it in real life.
It is easy to find hundreds, likely thousands, of videos online showing real world testing of two winter tire scenarios which conclusively show that vehicles become unbalanced and unpredictable. It is possible that you are one of greatest drivers in the world and during your experience you managed to have significantly greater control than the average person but essentially what you are saying here is wrong.
It's actually hard to believe it's as cold as it says it is. Doesn't feel like it.
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"Opinion" of a rep from Nokian. You didn't watch the video.
I don't feel like any of us really feel like rehashing this boring conversation, but let me just ask you this: say you had to drive up a slippery mountain road in a fwd car, do you think you'd be better off with the better tires in the front or the back?
Driving is not one specific scenario and nothing else. But I get it, you've doubled down shown you were wrong then went in harder with being wrong so you have no choice but to keep digging.
