01-24-2023, 08:26 PM
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#5581
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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Originally Posted by Brendone
When skynet becomes self aware it will realize it doesn’t need to do anything. We got this.
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This is why the Robots haven't yet arisen and overthrown society...they're waiting.
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01-24-2023, 08:29 PM
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#5582
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Somewhere down the crazy river.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Locke
This is why the Robots haven't yet arisen and overthrown society...they're waiting.
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The chatbots will take out the gullible first.
“Yes, you were right to pleasure yourself with grainy mustard. Do not seek medical attention”.
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01-24-2023, 11:24 PM
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#5583
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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I despise when people use the "I have OCD when it comes to X" as it's a slap in the face to those with actual OCD, so I won't say that. But I tend to get irrationally annoyed at businesses that leave "open" signs on all night.
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01-24-2023, 11:41 PM
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#5584
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jayswin
I despise when people use the "I have OCD when it comes to X" as it's a slap in the face to those with actual OCD, so I won't say that. But I tend to get irrationally annoyed at businesses that leave "open" signs on all night.
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You don’t like 24hr businesses?
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01-25-2023, 12:04 PM
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#5585
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Deep South
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jayswin
I despise when people use the "I have OCD when it comes to X" as it's a slap in the face to those with actual OCD, so I won't say that. But I tend to get irrationally annoyed at businesses that leave "open" signs on all night.
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There's a coffee shop I drive past on the way to work each morning and on their open sign they display their hours. The first digit of the first day has been blinking for about two weeks now, and it just bugs me. Looks like someone put it on edit mode and never changed it back.
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01-25-2023, 12:16 PM
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#5586
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damn onions
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GGG
You don’t like 24hr businesses?
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I think you, and everyone else, understood what he meant.
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01-25-2023, 12:17 PM
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#5587
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: SW Calgary
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I missed the tipping discussion here because frankly, I don't care one way or the other, but I do have to ask after seeing it come up on reddit again today.
Why do people get so upset if a machine has a tip option? If you don't like it just press 0 and move on with your day
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01-25-2023, 12:22 PM
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#5588
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damn onions
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Originally Posted by btimbit
I missed the tipping discussion here because frankly, I don't care one way or the other, but I do have to ask after seeing it come up on reddit again today.
Why do people get so upset if a machine has a tip option? If you don't like it just press 0 and move on with your day
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It’s a societal pressure / insinuation thing that makes the customer the judge and jury as to whether or not an employee gets paid more or less.
I bet some people feel like that role should be the business owner of said employee, rather than making society writ large feel guilty about not tipping. So there’s merit as to why it’s annoying. The employee who just serves you gets to find out you don’t think their work is worth paying for, pretty brutal.
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01-25-2023, 12:24 PM
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#5589
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by btimbit
I missed the tipping discussion here because frankly, I don't care one way or the other, but I do have to ask after seeing it come up on reddit again today.
Why do people get so upset if a machine has a tip option? If you don't like it just press 0 and move on with your day
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A lot of people think that you are a terrible person and are contributing to poverty if you don't tip. Also, there is an implication that you might get substandard service or your food tampered with if you don't tip.
Tipping is in a weird place, where most people think that a tipping culture/economy is wrong, but also think you are a bad person if you don't tip.
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01-25-2023, 01:41 PM
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#5590
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: SW Calgary
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Still don't understand it, but appreciate the replies either way. Thanks guys
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01-25-2023, 02:36 PM
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#5591
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damn onions
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Originally Posted by btimbit
Still don't understand it, but appreciate the replies either way. Thanks guys
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You don’t understand societal norms and pressures to do things?
Really?
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01-25-2023, 02:37 PM
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#5592
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: SW Calgary
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Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee
You don’t understand societal norms and pressures to do things?
Really?
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In this scenario? No, it seems silly to me
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01-25-2023, 02:41 PM
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#5593
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Somewhere down the crazy river.
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What would servers need to be paid to eliminate tipping? And are restaurants run so much differently than any other businesses that they can’t pay the same as other brick & mortar establishments?
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01-25-2023, 02:53 PM
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#5594
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damn onions
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Originally Posted by btimbit
In this scenario? No, it seems silly to me
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Is this like a “I don’t care what others think of me” type thing? My dad is like that, good quality. I admire it.
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01-25-2023, 02:57 PM
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#5595
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: SW Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee
Is this like a “I don’t care what others think of me” type thing? My dad is like that, good quality. I admire it.
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I'm sure that's part of it, haha. But what I meant wasn't peoples problem with tipping in general, just specifically getting upset when the machine has a tip option. I see it as a completely optional step, that nobody other than you or the cashier knows the result of, and that person is going to forget you the second you walk out of the store.
I've never given it a second thought, so found it interesting that I see it being brought up quite often, that's all.
If the guy at Subway starts yelling "Hey everyone! This guy didn't tip!" then I'd understand it a bit more
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01-25-2023, 03:01 PM
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#5596
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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Quote:
Originally Posted by btimbit
I'm sure that's part of it, haha. But what I meant wasn't peoples problem with tipping in general, just specifically getting upset when the machine has a tip option. I see it as a completely optional step, that nobody other than you or the cashier knows the result of, and that person is going to forget you the second you walk out of the store.
I've never given it a second thought, so found it interesting that I see it being brought up quite often, that's all.
If the guy at Subway starts yelling "Hey everyone! This guy didn't tip!" then I'd understand it a bit more
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01-25-2023, 04:50 PM
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#5597
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wormius
What would servers need to be paid to eliminate tipping? And are restaurants run so much differently than any other businesses that they can’t pay the same as other brick & mortar establishments?
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The most ironic part is usually the people who hate tipping correlate to lower tippers (self proclaimed in the thread) , then ask for the staff to be paid a higher wage and just eliminating tipping .
Which will just see all menu prices raise 15-20% to cover the extra salaries , meaning the lower tippers actually pay more , and the good tippers will pay less and actually come out better financially, however with most likely worst service which will annoy them also, so both sides will end up annoyed. And/or the restaurants will claim prices are up to pay servers , and pocket more profit while sticking it to the employees.
Unless the proposal is the ensure all employees in service industries make less overall , which seems weird for one of the few industries unskilled (relatively) and younger workers can make good money
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01-25-2023, 04:54 PM
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#5598
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damn onions
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Quote:
Originally Posted by btimbit
I'm sure that's part of it, haha. But what I meant wasn't peoples problem with tipping in general, just specifically getting upset when the machine has a tip option. I see it as a completely optional step, that nobody other than you or the cashier knows the result of, and that person is going to forget you the second you walk out of the store.
I've never given it a second thought, so found it interesting that I see it being brought up quite often, that's all.
If the guy at Subway starts yelling "Hey everyone! This guy didn't tip!" then I'd understand it a bit more
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Weirdly I would actually get a kick out of that, and then might tip them for being funny.
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01-25-2023, 05:20 PM
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#5599
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Jason14h
The most ironic part is usually the people who hate tipping correlate to lower tippers (self proclaimed in the thread) , then ask for the staff to be paid a higher wage and just eliminating tipping .
Which will just see all menu prices raise 15-20% to cover the extra salaries , meaning the lower tippers actually pay more , and the good tippers will pay less and actually come out better financially, however with most likely worst service which will annoy them also, so both sides will end up annoyed. And/or the restaurants will claim prices are up to pay servers , and pocket more profit while sticking it to the employees.
Unless the proposal is the ensure all employees in service industries make less overall , which seems weird for one of the few industries unskilled (relatively) and younger workers can make good money
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I was thinking about this when the topic came up earlier and just now have time to address a thought I had - Would menu prices really need to increase 15-20% for a restaurant to pay their staff better?
Simple example - say a server has 4 tables, each with 2 people, with each person having an appy, a main and a drink and each table turns once an hour (to make it easy).
In that case, the restaurant doesn't need to raise their prices by 20% to pay the server a living wage. Adding 50 cents to each menu item would earn the server an additional $12 per hour. The difference between minimum wage ($15) and living wage ($22) in Calgary is $7/hr... The remaining $5 per hour can be pooled and distributed to the rest of the staff...
Let's be even more generous... Can't I just pay an extra 50 cents for my beer (~5%), dollar for my appy (~5%) and $2 for my entree (~5%) and call it a day? Those prices, applied to the above 4 table scenario, sees a server earning an additional $28/hr. Pool it and carve it up, and I don't see how servers and the rest of the staff could be well above living wage.
Edit - in the example above, each table pays an extra $7. Using the same numbers, each table's bill come in at $120... If we use a 20% tip instead, it means each table pays an extra $24 and the server with 4 tables, gets an extra $96/hr!
Super simple calculations - and I have zero industry experience - but am I that far off?
Last edited by you&me; 01-25-2023 at 05:34 PM.
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01-25-2023, 05:37 PM
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#5600
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Franchise Player
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If tips are currently 15% of bills and you want to keep the same level of total compensation , prices have to raise the exact same amount and all that extra revenue goes directly to the same people it was before
Unless you think the staff is overpaid and deserves less total compensation. In which case , correct they don’t need to raise prices but it means less $$ for the staff. But these are actually jobs that can be used to support a family , etc for the under skilled and young . More then just living wage .
Last edited by Jason14h; 01-25-2023 at 05:41 PM.
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