Tank for Bedard

[bluejays]

The thread is about tanking for bedard but there are other high talent prospects. Dealing Huberdeau so closely removed from a 100 point season would be prudent.

[Badgers Nose]

They have a lot to figure out and lucky enough Flames have 34 games to do that.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by bluejays

The thread is about tanking for bedard but there are other high talent prospects. Dealing Huberdeau so closely removed from a 100 point season would be prudent.

When he got traded was the best time to trade him. Now is a terrible time to trade him. LOL

Prudent? LOL

[ben voyonsdonc]

Who on this team is tradeable for a rebuild?

Backlund (M-NTC), Lindholm, Dube, Hanifin (M-NTC), Andersson, Tanev (M-NTC), Zadorov, and Vladar. You can argue that Looch (M-NTC) is moveable because his contract is expiring but the return will be a bag of pucks and would have almost no impact on the quality of the team. The problem is that all of the other tradeable players are the guys that you’d like to the team build around.

The guys who people want to move (Huberdeau, Weegar, Kadri, Mangiapane, Coleman, Markstrom) are the ones who nobody will take with the salary cap limitations. If we try to trade any of them, we are going to be taking back aging vet contracts and will be no closer to rebuilding.

Once again it is patently ridiculous to try to tear this team down. It just isn’t really an option.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

When he got traded was the best time to trade him. Now is a terrible time to trade him. LOL

Prudent? LOL

The hope would be teams would realize he’s not a good fit on the Flames and would bet on him for a quick turnaround. The long term signing could be a good or bad thing depending on teams views on his track record vs. his future value. Every day that goes by and he doesn’t produce is an extra doubt that he’ll never be the same.

[FlamesAddiction]

According to Gary Bettman, teams don't tank for better draft odds. Alan Walsh falls off his seat in laughter.

https://nhltradetalk.com/gary-bettma...-tanks-in-nhl/

Allan Walsh, a prominent player agent in the NHL tweeted, “Gary Bettman in a media availability just now made the ridiculous and wildly false statement there is no tanking in the NHL. Trust me when I tell you, NHL teams would rather finish dead last than miss the playoffs by 2 points.” He added in a second tweet, “Pick me off the floor I’m laughing so hard. There isn’t a human being on the planet (or in the hockey industry) that believes this absurd statement.”

I do think Walsh is correct. The draft odds should be spread a little more evenly among all non-playoff teams. Not necessarily to avoid tanking, but just because skewed odds that overly compensate the worst teams aren't necessary anymore.

[blender]

I'm not a Walsh fan, but I do appreciate that he feels free to call out the league. It's refreshing.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by bluejays

The hope would be teams would realize he’s not a good fit on the Flames and would bet on him for a quick turnaround. The long term signing could be a good or bad thing depending on teams views on his track record vs. his future value. Every day that goes by and he doesn’t produce is an extra doubt that he’ll never be the same.

That’s a $84M bet most teams, if not all teams, would choose not to take, considering few if any teams have the current cap space to fit him in.

It’s not a hope, but a fantasy dream.

The Flames have no choice but to hope he turns it around. Especially since he has a full NTC for the first 6 years of that contract. No team would be willing to sign Huberdeau to that contract if he was a UFA today.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by blender

I'm not a Walsh fan, but I do appreciate that he feels free to call out the league. It's refreshing.

He's a clown. Sure there are some organizations that may feel that way but most teams would rather battle to make the playoffs all season and finish 2 points out than finish dead last including the Flames that prioritize making the playoffs above all else.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

Who on this team is tradeable for a rebuild?

Backlund (M-NTC), Lindholm, Dube, Hanifin (M-NTC), Andersson, Tanev (M-NTC), Zadorov, and Vladar. You can argue that Looch (M-NTC) is moveable because his contract is expiring but the return will be a bag of pucks and would have almost no impact on the quality of the team. The problem is that all of the other tradeable players are the guys that you’d like to the team build around.

The guys who people want to move (Huberdeau, Weegar, Kadri, Mangiapane, Coleman, Markstrom) are the ones who nobody will take with the salary cap limitations. If we try to trade any of them, we are going to be taking back aging vet contracts and will be no closer to rebuilding.

Once again it is patently ridiculous to try to tear this team down. It just isn’t really an option.

You could trade Weegar for a haul tomorrow - he’s been excellent and he’s signed to a reasonable number.

Lindholm would return a king’s ransom if you moved him.

Huberdeau is here to stay, and honestly, we shouldn’t forget that. He could’ve waited to sign an extension, but he committed the rest of his career to this city and this team. I don’t care if he has an underwhelming season - two homegrown stars told Tre he couldn’t pay them enough to play here. Huberdeau, on the other hand, committed the next nine years of his life to this city on the strength of a dinner date.

He deserves our patience, and I‘m confident he’ll reward us for it. Get him a young, speedy winger to open up the seams instead of Milan “Barry Sanders” Lucic and watch what happens.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Huberdeau, on the other hand, committed the next nine years of his life to this city on the strength of a dinner date.

He deserves our patience, and I‘m confident he’ll reward us for it. Get him a young, speedy winger to open up the seams instead of Milan “Barry Sanders” Lucic and watch what happens.

He was in his last year of his contract, and someone offered him $84M tos ign a year in advance.

He would be insane not to agree to that deal.

He would have done so even if he was in Edmonton.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

He was in his last year of his contract, and someone offered him $84M tos ign a year in advance.

He would be insane not to agree to that deal.

He would have done so even if he was in Edmonton.

Lots of guys bet on themselves going to UFA - all he had to do was bide his time, get traded to a contender, have a nice playoff and he’d secure himself a nice future. Maybe not $10.5, but hard to see him getting less than Gaudreau.

He chose to stay here. Maybe it doesn’t carry any weight with you - fair enough.

It does with me.

[bluejays]

There are also questions about if Huberdeau is built for this system. I don’t know the answer for sure but I don’t think it’s just because he cashed in. I genuinely think he’s been frustrated at his ability to perform. In Florida they were run and gun. Here he has to be defensively responsible. It’s a large change. I don’t know if giving him more time is a good thing when he’s fallen so hard in this system. Certainly he deserves some credit for signing but it wasn’t a charitable reason he signed. He signed because it was a lot of money for a long time and he trusted he’d be able to perform at a high level. I’d like to know what he thinks.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

According to Gary Bettman, teams don't tank for better draft odds. Alan Walsh falls off his seat in laughter.

https://nhltradetalk.com/gary-bettma...-tanks-in-nhl/



I do think Walsh is correct. The draft odds should be spread a little more evenly among all non-playoff teams. Not necessarily to avoid tanking, but just because skewed odds that overly compensate the worst teams aren't necessary anymore.

Whatever. What does he think a guy in Bettman’s position should say?

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Lots of guys bet on themselves going to UFA - all he had to do was bide his time, get traded to a contender, have a nice playoff and he’d secure himself a nice future. Maybe not $10.5, but hard to see him getting less than Gaudreau.

He chose to stay here. Maybe it doesn’t carry any weight with you - fair enough.

It does with me.

He had a desperate team needing to save face and the Flames offered a spectacular deal for a player likely to start his aging curve soon.

No guarantee that the flames if fighting for a playoff spot would even trade him.

After this season, as a UFA, he would be getting quite a bit less.

Maybe not $10.5M? That’s for sure.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Lots of guys bet on themselves going to UFA - all he had to do was bide his time, get traded to a contender, have a nice playoff and he’d secure himself a nice future. Maybe not $10.5, but hard to see him getting less than Gaudreau.

He chose to stay here. Maybe it doesn’t carry any weight with you - fair enough.

It does with me.

All he had to do was bet on himself to have a better season then one of the best seasons ever for his position that he had last year , and hope he would get the same offer the Flames were already offering him- but probably less ?

That sounds like bad financial advice for him

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

All he had to do was bet on himself to have a better season then one of the best seasons ever for his position that he had last year , and hope he would get the same offer the Flames were already offering him- but probably less ?

That sounds like bad financial advice for him

I’m not disagreeing, but I am saying that a star player (and that’s what Huberdeau is) committing to this city and this team for record term and dollars less than a month after two stars told us to kick rocks deserves a long leash.

He’s 2 months older than Gaudreau. Nothing about this roster is built to maximize what he does. So maybe we give him more than his first All-Star break before we fire up the buyout calculators.

[Jason14h]

Ok that’s fine - I don’t hate JH (Yet) despite being disappointed

But I certainly don’t give him a longer leash because he “chose” the Flames

I’ll give him a longer leash because our only hope is he gets back to old form and because he is playing with Lucic which is insane / akin to JG playing with Ritchie

[dino7c]

Can this dumb thread please die, the Flames are 24 points up on last place

[speede5]