[PGT] Flames 6, Bolts 3: The Never Ending PGT

[Monahammer]

I thought most of us here were middle age tbh. Isn't that what the poll showed?

[TheScorpion]

The real fans comment was pretty ridiculous.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I thought most of us here were middle age tbh. Isn't that what the poll showed?

30-50 iirc

[Beatle17]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Hey I agree, I propose trading him pretty much every week. I just don't think we should be making the argument a prospect wouldn't strongly consider playing four years of Hockey at Harvard.

Salaries by Major at Harvard University
How much money do Harvard University graduates make and which majors earn the most upon graduating? Six years after enrolling, alumni who are working have average earnings of $96,800 per year. After ten years, graduates earn $136,700 on average.

In terms of specific areas of study, the following is a ranking of degree programs by the median first-year starting salaries for Harvard graduates.

The undergraduate degree which initially pays the highest is Computer Science with a median starting salary of $128,900 followed by Statistics paying $126,100 and Applied Mathematics graduates who have a median starting income of $80,500 .

A NHL player makes on average $97K per year signing bonus on ELC, plus $900K (+/-) per year. After 3 years if he is any good he can make up to $8M. I don't think most kids playing hockey at Harvard, being so smart, would think it is good to miss out on at least $6M (minimum) for 6 years of NHL hockey. The ones who do stay come from well off families.

[FlamesAddiction]

This whole thing is being overblown. I am surprised at how many people are agreeing with Francis over this.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

This whole thing is being overblown. I am surprised at how many people are agreeing with Francis over this.

Probably, but Sutter antagonizes the media almost every post game interview now. What do people expect them to do, thank him for talking to them like morons? He was going to get this reaction at some point. The media probably deserves it at times, but seems like he will respond sarcastically to almost every question now. Fair game, he can respond how he likes, but so can they.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Yeah we couldn't possibly want anyone like that on our team. Not someone who would be foolish enough to play for years for Harvard while earning a degree from the most prestigious school in the world.

Not a comparable.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/sutters...human-decency/

I wonder if Sutter will be charged with crimes against humanity.

Can’t get through the whole article without some nausea but why does Francis think his draft position means anything to Sutter for special consideration? He doesn’t even give leading players special treatment until they’re executing consistently to a high ability.

He should pump a first round pick’s tires just because the general audience is consistently weak?

[btimbit]

Francis doesn't care about what Sutter said, Francis is just salty becuase Sutter screws with him, so he's going to try to snap back whenever possible.

It's starting to remind me of Burke's early days in Vancouver. Maybe Sutter should also get his own radio show to talk about the team and snap back at some of the media clowns in a more entertaining setting

[Ashasx]

I think as a whole, the Flames have a very good media group, especially when you compare them to other teams in Canada.

[Paulie Walnuts]

The real fans was a joke sutter is the one talks about them.

I've never once called anyone a real or fake fan.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Bingo

If he puts getting a degree as a priority over money then absolutely.

If he has his hockey career as his first priority but stays in school and delays his money years by two seasons to avoid a big meany coach though?

Can't see it.

I think you're still being too glib about it.

What's the contract he gets from us if he signs end of this year for next season? Let's use Joel farabee as a comparable (similar draft position but 2018, left Boston college after 1 season of ppg.) Joel got a 3 year max rookie contract at 925k, with 500k in bonus available. Not bad: 1.45M. Let's add 10% for inflation and say 1.6m available per season for Coronato. Farabee went on to earn a massive second contract, 5 mil average over 6 years. Taking him to Ufa at age 28 with 30 mil+ In his pocket.


If you follow the reasoning and coronato is worried he won't be able to play enough to get bonuses or a good second contract like farabee, then he's valuing the potential flames contract at only 925k x 2years (same time as would get him to ufa through college). He's weighing it against the value of a Harvard degree (250k + time spent), and the potential that he could earn a much higher value contract fresh out of the gates as a UFA. Fox's contract, signed the same year as farabee's, was for 925k x3 + 850k in bonuses (which he achieved.) If coronato bets on himself to earn a Harvard degree and come out with a NYR rookie max contract with bonuses to $2mil a season, it could easily be a smart money play. Let's look at this scenario to age 25:

Flames value ideal conditions (bonuses achievable, normal playing time, similar progression to farabee):
1.6m x 3 years= 4.8 mil
5.5m x 6 years= 33 mil (only half will count to total for age)
= 21.3 mil by age 25

Flames value (no bonuses, low playing time during rookie contract, ill be generous and assume sutter likes him like dube and mangi):
925,000 x 2 seasons= 1.85 mil
Bottom 6 contract (dube ish, 2.3 for 3 years)= 6.6 mil
Mangi next contract (5.8 mil)
= 13.25 mil by age 25

Skyshot Adam fox scenario:
2 years at Harvard= 250k
Max rookie contract and bonuses, 2 mil x 3 seasons= 6 mil
9.5 mil second contract
= 15.75 mil by age 25

I dont think hes as good as fox, but he also might think he'll spend time in the ahl under a Sutter regime, further diminishing Flames earnings. Imo the money argument doesn't work in this scenario, and risk of serious injury playing for Harvard seems fairly low.

[Jiri Hrdina]

He also may actually need ahl time
He’s a quality prospect but not a slam dunk to step into the nhl by any stretch

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I think you're still being too glib about it.

What's the contract he gets from us if he signs end of this year for next season? Let's use Joel farabee as a comparable (similar draft position but 2018, left Boston college after 1 season of ppg.) Joel got a 3 year max rookie contract at 925k, with 500k in bonus available. Not bad: 1.45M. Let's add 10% for inflation and say 1.6m available per season for Coronato. Farabee went on to earn a massive second contract, 5 mil average over 6 years. Taking him to Ufa at age 28 with 30 mil+ In his pocket.


If you follow the reasoning and coronato is worried he won't be able to play enough to get bonuses or a good second contract like farabee, then he's valuing the potential flames contract at only 925k x 2years (same time as would get him to ufa through college). He's weighing it against the value of a Harvard degree (250k + time spent), and the potential that he could earn a much higher value contract fresh out of the gates as a UFA. Fox's contract, signed the same year as farabee's, was for 925k x3 + 850k in bonuses (which he achieved.) If coronato bets on himself to earn a Harvard degree and come out with a NYR rookie max contract with bonuses to $2mil a season, it could easily be a smart money play. Let's look at this scenario to age 25:

Flames value ideal conditions (bonuses achievable, normal playing time, similar progression to farabee):
1.6m x 3 years= 4.8 mil
5.5m x 6 years= 33 mil (only half will count to total for age)
= 21.3 mil by age 25

Flames value (no bonuses, low playing time during rookie contract, ill be generous and assume sutter likes him like dube and mangi):
925,000 x 2 seasons= 1.85 mil
Bottom 6 contract (dube ish, 2.3 for 3 years)= 6.6 mil
Mangi next contract (5.8 mil)
= 13.25 mil by age 25

Skyshot Adam fox scenario:
2 years at Harvard= 250k
Max rookie contract and bonuses, 2 mil x 3 seasons= 6 mil
9.5 mil second contract
= 15.75 mil by age 25

I dont think hes as good as fox, but he also might think he'll spend time in the ahl under a Sutter regime, further diminishing Flames earnings. Imo the money argument doesn't work in this scenario, and risk of serious injury playing for Harvard seems fairly low.

But he gets to the bigger contract in one year not two if he signs at the end of the season and plays a game for the Flames.

That's what he will likely force and get.

So it's one year at 925K then on to a better contract vs two and a half more years tied up in college (two playing, but April through to September this year as a wait time)

[sa226]

Jesus H tapdancing Keeerryst that Francis headline is embarrassing.

Man he loves to ride the wave of fan base sentiment.

[Beatle17]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I think you're still being too glib about it.



Flames value (no bonuses, low playing time during rookie contract, ill be generous and assume sutter likes him like dube and mangi):
925,000 x 2 seasons= 1.85 mil
Bottom 6 contract (dube ish, 2.3 for 3 years)= 6.6 mil
Mangi next contract (5.8 mil)
= 13.25 mil by age 25

Skyshot Adam fox scenario:
2 years at Harvard= 250k
Max rookie contract and bonuses, 2 mil x 3 seasons= 6 mil
9.5 mil second contract
= 15.75 mil by age 25

I dont think hes as good as fox, but he also might think he'll spend time in the ahl under a Sutter regime, further diminishing Flames earnings. Imo the money argument doesn't work in this scenario, and risk of serious injury playing for Harvard seems fairly low.

Why are you giving Fox 250K for Harvard but not Coronato? You are making assumptions that Coronato won't make the Flames and achieve rookie bonuses, how about running the numbers as he does make the Flames and gets the same type of second contract that Fox got (discount a bit as he won't likely win the Norris/Hart trophy, but he could get the Robertson contract from Dallas). That is more likely the scenario Treliving makes to him to sign after Harvard season is done.

Also, signing a UFA free agent contract out of college is still limited to ELC rules with the NHL, it is not like he can sign for $5M a season coming out of college, it just makes his ELC 2 or 1 year depending on age.

[sonq]

I have been away for about 20 hours. After 34 pages(???) we're talking about... Coronato? Have you guys been discussing Sutters presser this whole time

[Samonadreau]

I think there's no way they can gaurantee him a spot in the show next season which makes a signing after this season less likely. Not that it wont happen, just less likely for sure

That now gets him 1 additional season away from his degree and the loophole. Not being paranoid, just stating the facts.

I hate the college loophole. Its so dumb. why not put a clause in that if the team offers max elc deals the player cant sign elsewhere. easy fix.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

I think there's no way they can gaurantee him a spot in the show next season which makes a signing after this season less likely. Not that it wont happen, just less likely for sure

That now gets him 1 season away from his degree and the loophole. Not being paranoid, just stating the facts.

I hate the college loophole. Its so dumb. why not put a clause in that if the team offers max elc deals the player cant sign elsewhere. easy fix.

College players are guaranteed spots in the show the next season?

I've heard they negotiate the single NHL game to burn a season, but the next season?

Not sure that's true.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

I think there's no way they can gaurantee him a spot in the show next season which makes a signing after this season less likely. Not that it wont happen, just less likely for sure

That now gets him 1 season away from his degree and the loophole. Not being paranoid, just stating the facts.

I hate the college loophole. Its so dumb. why not put a clause in that if the team offers max elc deals the player cant sign elsewhere. easy fix.

I'd simply make it take one year longer to become a UFA, that way the player can't go straight from college to the NHL, would have to go play in Europe or juniors somewhere first