[PGT] Flames 6, Bolts 3: The Never Ending PGT

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by tony-soprano

Lol, who would you bring in as a replacement head coach?

Dunno. Haven't given it any thought. But it's not as though, if you dislike Sutter, you naturally endorse the likes of Gully or Ward.

I do think there's a real generational gap in how people are perceiving this story. This site generally skews older and largely sees it as a non-factor. From what I've seen, the opposite has been true among the younger crowd.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Yamer

May somebody love you as much as Flames fans hate reigning Jack Adams winner Darryl Sutter.

Two (three!) time cup winner

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

There clearly is a trend. It's inherent to Sutter's approach. You can like his approach, or dislike it. I'm not a huge fan of it. But you have to acknowledge it exists. Just like you have to acknowledge this has always been how he's done interviews — which, again, you can be a fan of or not.

The common refrain in this thread has been "It's as if you've never seen a Sutter presser before!" Of course people have. That doesn't mean they have to like how they work.

Then IDK… don’t watch them.

Sutter is 100% focused on the ultimate goal of winning cups. He even made a comment in this exact same press conference telling you this with his most Flames HC wins answer. He doesn’t have any interest in the side show. He wants to come and coach, and do his job without attention. He is stoic to the maximum. His ego is zero. Perhaps he does like the attention a little to his sarcastic quick witted stand up routine bit but who wouldn’t. Steven Wright shouldn’t get all the limelight.

His self confidence is 100%. He has a successful lifetime hockey career at all levels to support it. He doesn’t care what anyone thinks about his responses to being questioned about surface level and irrelevant to him things. He’ll do his job behind the scenes to the absolute best ability and if the crop can be harvested in the end we’ll all eat.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Yamer

May somebody love you as much as Flames fans hate reigning Jack Adams winner Darryl Sutter.

Who said they hated Darryl Sutter?

Darryl Sutter is a great coach, who belongs in the HHoF one day.

Darryl Sutter was a bad GM.

Darryl Sutter isn't great at prospect development.

Darryl Sutter is needlessly a jerk in the media, and this year he's been worse than ever.

Those things can all be true, and are mutually exclusive.

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Then IDK… don’t watch them.

Sutter is 100% focused on the ultimate goal of winning cups. He even made a comment in this exact same press conference telling you this with his most Flames HC wins answer. He doesn’t have any interest in the side show. He wants to come and coach, and do his job without attention. He is stoic to the maximum. His ego is zero. Perhaps he does like the attention a little to his sarcastic quick witted stand up routine bit but who wouldn’t. Steven Wright shouldn’t get all the limelight.

His self confidence is 100%. He has a successful lifetime hockey career at all levels to support it. He doesn’t care what anyone thinks about his response is to being questioned about surface level and irrelevant to him things. He’ll do his job behind the scenes to the absolute best ability and if the crop can be harvested in the end we’ll all eat.

I highly disagree that his ego is zero.

Hes been very arrogant since coming back as coach of the Flames, and hey he's won two cups so he deserves that.

But he has an ego for sure.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Then IDK… don’t watch them.

Sutter is 100% focused on the ultimate goal of winning cups. He even made a comment in this exact same press conference telling you this with his most Flames HC wins answer. He doesn’t have any interest in the side show. He wants to come and coach, and do his job without attention. He is stoic to the maximum. His ego is zero. Perhaps he does like the attention a little to his sarcastic quick witted stand up routine bit but who wouldn’t. Steven Wright shouldn’t get all the limelight.

His self confidence is 100%. He has a successful lifetime hockey career at all levels to support it. He doesn’t care what anyone thinks about his response is to being questioned about surface level and irrelevant to him things. He’ll do his job behind the scenes to the absolute best ability and if the crop can be harvested in the end we’ll all eat.

Right. But while I don't disagree that his M.O. is to win Cups, he's not above criticism. Particularly when the Flames' record, to this point, has arguably been the most disappointing in the NHL and he's largely remained steadfast in his existing strategies (which haven't really worked). And I very much disagree that his ego is zero.

Being a coach with a short shelf life means, at some point, you reach that expiry date. The players can't always be the problem.

[Beatle17]

Rob Kerr's tweet is hilarious. Does he actually think Sutter has no say or discussion about prospect development? Does he think he has no input with Tre about who to target for the club?

As Sutter said in his Tuesday press conference, he loves Pelletier, Pelletier fully understood why he didn't make the team out of training camp and has improved his game. He feels he is getting ready to take the next step, and being thicker and stronger is demanding "bigger", it means getting some strength like Dube has done.

If the group of the press didn't decide to hear his comments on Tuesday then they can rightly eat what he feeds them today. I am sure that Darryl knew Salim wasn't anywhere to be seen on Tuesday and was ready for the gotcha question tonight.

[JurassicTunga12]

I like Darryl Sutter.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Dunno. Haven't given it any thought. But it's not as though, if you dislike Sutter, you naturally endorse the likes of Gully or Ward.

I do think there's a real generational gap in how people are perceiving this story. This site generally skews older and largely sees it as a non-factor. From what I've seen, the opposite has been true among the younger crowd.

Social media isn't a good place to gauge reaction

Most people don't care one way or another in the real world

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Social media isn't a good place to gauge reaction

This site is also social media. It's just social media with a smaller user base and a higher median age.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

There is clearly a lack of willingness to play youngsters - one of his biggest supporters in Rhett Warriner even just called it out.

There is clearly a bias towards bigger players - for Sutter he's clearly not a fan of the risk of a young, small player. Proven NHLer then sure he will deal with it, but I don't think he wants to be the one to find out if a smaller player can cut it.

And there is clearly some disrespectful trends towards these young players in the media. You can say that it's him trolling the media, or that he's always done this, but it doesn't change the fact that the narrative is out there in NHL circles now.

So yes there is a "this". Eliotte Friedman already made mention of it two weeks ago, and it seems to be even more widespread now tonight.

Media circles. Not NHL circles.

[looooob]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I find it very humourous that people are suggesting the only options are Darryl or a Ward/Gulutzan type.

we are Flames fans , Stockholm syndrome has nothing on us
the last 20 years have consisted of 3 terms of Sutters, Ward/Gulutzan, a racist who will never coach again, Mike Keenan , Hartley (who had his own baggage) and Playfair


and the years prior to that were arguably worse!


(edit to clarify I still think highly- on average- regarding D Sutter's record as a coach, his ability to think the game etc) just making a Flames observation

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

This site is also social media. It's just social media with a smaller user base and a higher median age.

I know...I'm including CP

Normal people don't care

You are seeing those reactions on twitter because only people who think this is an actual story would bother posting about it

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I know...I'm including CP

Normal people don't care

Well yeah but who cares about them!

The convo is about people who have an opinion about the story. The population of people who don't care is large. But there are a lot more casual fans in general.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Who said they hated Darryl Sutter?

Darryl Sutter is a great coach, who belongs in the HHoF one day.

Darryl Sutter was a bad GM.

Darryl Sutter isn't great at prospect development.

Darryl Sutter is needlessly a jerk in the media, and this year he's been worse than ever.

Those things can all be true, and are mutually exclusive.

I highly disagree that his ego is zero.

Hes been very arrogant since coming back as coach of the Flames, and hey he's won two cups so he deserves that.

But he has an ego for sure.

Anyone who thinks Darryl has any ego or arrogance are way out of touch.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Right. But while I don't disagree that his M.O. is to win Cups, he's not above criticism. Particularly when the Flames' record, to this point, has arguably been the most disappointing in the NHL and he's largely remained steadfast in his existing strategies (which haven't really worked). And I very much disagree that his ego is zero.

Being a coach with a short shelf life means, at some point, you reach that expiry date. The players can't always be the problem.

Kind wish some fans and media would have a short shelf life because they are also not above criticism when they’re off base.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Who said they hated Darryl Sutter?

Darryl Sutter is a great coach, who belongs in the HHoF one day.

Darryl Sutter was a bad GM.

Darryl Sutter isn't great at prospect development.

Darryl Sutter is needlessly a jerk in the media, and this year he's been worse than ever.

Those things can all be true, and are mutually exclusive.

Don't do that. There are a number of people on this board that hate Darryl Sutter, and they aren't exactly shy of vomiting it all over this site.

I highly disagree that his ego is zero.

Hes been very arrogant since coming back as coach of the Flames, and hey he's won two cups so he deserves that.

But he has an ego for sure.

I'm glad he has an ego. He should and I hope he acts like it as the leader (and de facto captain) of this team, but I disagree he's arrogant. I would argue the reason most get that impression is because all they have to inform that opinion is his interaction with the media, which mostly he has no fondness.

I sit here befuddled. The rallying cry from fans since Darryl stopped coaching Calgary has been that Darryl should coach Calgary, and now there's a significant movement to have him driven out of the city. Put in context of a total core swap a half (?) calendar year after being named coach of the year is mind collapsing.

[Jiri Hrdina]

I was going to comment that Kerr's tweet is interesting as both him and Sutter are employed by CSEC, however, I quickly looked it up and saw that Kerr left his position in October.

On the matter at hand, Sutter likely doesn't view dealing with the media as part of his job but rather to win games. And we don't know if that's something that his employers have agreed to or not.

I don't disagree that a head coach though is one of the faces of the org and what they say matters. He tends to appreciate and respond better to intelligent questions, as he did earlier in the week when he expanded on Pelletier and development overall.

I'm also someone that gravitates to positive energy more than negativity.

In this specific case I thought Sutter's comments were a miss-guided attempt to be funny. But regardless still of the mark and a missed opportunity.

I've never liked this side of Sutter. But if you hire him as your coach, I think you are accepting what he is, warts and all.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by tony-soprano

Lol, who would you bring in as a replacement head coach?

Bruce Boudreau?

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Anyone who thinks Darryl has any ego or arrogance are way out of touch.

Explain to me how he's not arrogant at all.

Honestly i dont see how anybody could have that opinion.

Even if you dont mind how he interacts with the media, it is 100% arrogant.

Originally Posted by Locke

Bruce Boudreau?

This is who I wanted before Sutter came back because I thought he would be a better fit for the roster at the time.

But even though I dont agree with Sutter's take on how to handle our prospects I wouldnt fire him as coach.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Yamer

Don't do that. There are a number of people on this board that hate Darryl Sutter, and they aren't exactly shy of vomiting it all over this site.



I'm glad he has an ego. He should and I hope he acts like it as the leader (and de facto captain) of this team, but I disagree he's arrogant. I would argue the reason most get that impression is because all they have to inform that opinion is his interaction with the media, which mostly he has no fondness.

I sit here befuddled. The rallying cry from fans since Darryl stopped coaching Calgary has been that Darryl should coach Calgary, and now there's a significant movement to have him driven out of the city. Put in context of a total core swap a half (?) calendar year after being named coach of the year is mind collapsing.

Who wanted him back?

I talk to a lot of real fans and not an single person wanted him back.