2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Calgary4LIfe]

Not that I think it will happen - and Sutter has stated already he doesn't like being a GM - but I do think people are being a bit over-critical on Sutter here.


He was brand new to the GM gig when he took over in Calgary, and for a long while, his moves were nothing short of brilliant. He got this team to a game 7 of the SCF. Sure, he inherited a lot of players, but he also quickly transformed that group into a very good team.


I also think he was wildly underrated for his drafting and development portion. He started off atrociously, but he slowly built the program up. Feaster reaped a lot of what was put into place. To not give Sutter any credit there is not taking a step back and seeing the evolution - the evolution that even Todd Button has stated on a few occasions.


Would he be a terrible GM again? I don't know. Neither do you guys. I mean, most GMs break into the NHL with some experience. They are usually assistant GMs for years before they either take over their existing teams, or move elsewhere when a position opens up. Sutter took it over without experience, and without someone like Burke to mentor him. Treliving was WAY more experienced, and then had the benefit of Burke for a few seasons on top of that.



Things fell apart UNQUESTIONABLY in the last half of Sutter's tenure. Absolutely. However, I think we need to judge his entire body of work - which included a fricken SCF and consistent playoff team for multiple seasons in a row - and also factor in the above inexperience.



I wouldn't exactly be happy with Sutter taking over as a GM, but I wouldn't be all doom and gloom either. I would anticipate that he would have learned from his past experience, especially his mistakes. Not on the top of my candidates list, but not at the bottom either.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

He made good trades and signed some nice contracts (both his own and free agents) in the first half.
But consistent across his tenure was absolutely terrible drafting and letting good players go for very little.

And then yeah in the second half even the things he was good at originally, he became bad at.

I'm not so dramatic to suggest that if he becomes GM again I'm done as a Flames fan. But I sure don't want it to happen.

I think if you put Darryl in place as the long-term leader of a program that’s built through the draft, it could work.

If you give him the job expecting him to take this roster to another level… I wouldn’t.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Assuming Treliving is moving on to Toronto, If Conroy isn't the next Flames GM I'd be very surprised.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Not that I think it will happen - and Sutter has stated already he doesn't like being a GM - but I do think people are being a bit over-critical on Sutter here.


He was brand new to the GM gig when he took over in Calgary, and for a long while, his moves were nothing short of brilliant. He got this team to a game 7 of the SCF. Sure, he inherited a lot of players, but he also quickly transformed that group into a very good team.


I also think he was wildly underrated for his drafting and development portion. He started off atrociously, but he slowly built the program up. Feaster reaped a lot of what was put into place. To not give Sutter any credit there is not taking a step back and seeing the evolution - the evolution that even Todd Button has stated on a few occasions.


Would he be a terrible GM again? I don't know. Neither do you guys. I mean, most GMs break into the NHL with some experience. They are usually assistant GMs for years before they either take over their existing teams, or move elsewhere when a position opens up. Sutter took it over without experience, and without someone like Burke to mentor him. Treliving was WAY more experienced, and then had the benefit of Burke for a few seasons on top of that.



Things fell apart UNQUESTIONABLY in the last half of Sutter's tenure. Absolutely. However, I think we need to judge his entire body of work - which included a fricken SCF and consistent playoff team for multiple seasons in a row - and also factor in the above inexperience.



I wouldn't exactly be happy with Sutter taking over as a GM, but I wouldn't be all doom and gloom either. I would anticipate that he would have learned from his past experience, especially his mistakes. Not on the top of my candidates list, but not at the bottom either.

I agree. I highly doubt that he actually will be the GM, and if anything may have a bit of input on who is selected since Sutter does have a lot of clout with the owners considering what he has done for the franchise.

But if it was to happen, I wouldn't have a harsh response to it. The league has changed since he was last GM, and his previous experience (and how moves didn't work out in the end) could cause him to do things differently this time around.

I think he acknowledges that you need to have speed and skill to be successful in this league. There's a reason he ####s on the roster so much, because it lacks the attributes necessary to be a true contender. He gives high praises to players on other teams that are all-stars. I think he does respect that a strong offensive team is critical to have. So I don't believe he will be inclined to primarily draft players just because they're big and strong. (And with Treliving, there has been picks in that realm anyway) He will want skill and speed. He might hold a bias against smaller players, but if there is one with bonafide talent, I believe he would still give them a shot if they are the best player available. Remember that Gaudreau was a mid round pick likely due to his size. He ended up becoming quiet the steal.

I would hope that Flames owner would prefer to keep him as coach or some other role if anything, and have a different face be the GM. Again, highly doubt this actually would happen. But if it were? I'll have my popcorn ready.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

I would've embraced a rebuild in the summer

And if Treliving was wise enough to dive head first into one going into an elite draft year, I would've supported him overseeing his second rebuild too

He burnt the long term for an unlikely chance in the short term. Got starry eyed over the prospect of an instant turnaround. The critical mistake of gms before him

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

I would've embraced a rebuild in the summer

And if Treliving was wise enough to dive head first into one going into an elite draft year, I would've supported him overseeing his second rebuild too

He burnt the long term for an unlikely chance in the short term. Got starry eyed over the prospect of an instant turnaround. The critical mistake of gms before him

You think Treliving made this decision on organizational direction on his own? I doubt that very much.

I find it much more likely that he took direction from ownership to stay competitive, now, and made the best deal he could.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

I would've embraced a rebuild in the summer

And if Treliving was wise enough to dive head first into one going into an elite draft year, I would've supported him overseeing his second rebuild too

He burnt the long term for an unlikely chance in the short term. Got starry eyed over the prospect of an instant turnaround. The critical mistake of gms before him

I decision like that lies with Edwards and the other owners.

GM's seldom if ever make the final decision on that direction, though some may often suggest it's the best way to go.

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

I would've embraced a rebuild in the summer

And if Treliving was wise enough to dive head first into one going into an elite draft year, I would've supported him overseeing his second rebuild too

He burnt the long term for an unlikely chance in the short term. Got starry eyed over the prospect of an instant turnaround. The critical mistake of gms before him

Well I’ll be honest, I was starry eyed when I saw the return Tre got for Chucky. It clearly hasn’t panned out the way a lot of us thought it would but hopefully over the summer they can get some new bodies in and come up with a new game plan on how to utilize the talent they have.

[cannon7]

Leafs looking for a goaltender. I can think of one they can have...

[Flaming Horse]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Leafs looking for a goaltender. I can think of one they can have...

Make it happenTre.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

I think if you put Darryl in place as the long-term leader of a program that’s built through the draft, it could work.

If you give him the job expecting him to take this roster to another level… I wouldn’t.

Do you remember how bad Darryl handled drafts?? Good God that would be a nightmare! I think Todd Button would resign immediately if that happened again.

[Hockey_Ninja]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1616530864615362561

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

https://twitter.com/user/status/1616530864615362561

Yes. What this team that’s too old and too slow needs is Gustav Nyqvist - wasn’t he one of the pieces Detroit offered for Bouwmeester?

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

Well I’ll be honest, I was starry eyed when I saw the return Tre got for Chucky. It clearly hasn’t panned out the way a lot of us thought it would but hopefully over the summer they can get some new bodies in and come up with a new game plan on how to utilize the talent they have.

I was too, but in hind site if we unloaded Huberdeau, Weegar, Lindholm and Markstrom, we could have probably be sitting with at least 4 first round picks this year alone. But I’m wishy washy and emotional, if Huberdeau puts up 3 points tomorrow in dominating fashion I’ll be back on board.

[dissentowner]

Please no Nyquist.

[ComixZone]

Yeah, Nyquist would be the ticket. Yuck.

33 years old, had a 20 goal season about a half decade ago. Has been stinking it up with the Jackets for a while.

Great target. Woof. No.

[Burning Beard]

Flames reach out on everybody. Not a surprise.

It is a nice change of pace though to break up all the Flames were terrible, are terrible and will always be terrible talk in the trade rumors thread

[dammage79]

Nyquist is good when healthy, he's never healthy.

[SaskyFlamesFan]

I’d be good with Nyquist. Over a half point a game player the last couple years, probably lower acquisition cost.

Slot him beside Backlund/Coleman and move Mangiapane up to Kadri/Huberdeau.

[SaskyFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Nyquist is good when healthy, he's never healthy.

He played 82 games last year and has played 45 (or all) the games this year. That is pretty healthy.

Edit: since 2014-15 he has missed 19 games, maybe you were thinking of a different player