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[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

Calgary Puck and fire the coach. Combo as old as time.

To be fair try and name the last Flames head coach that worked as a head coach in the NHL again post-Flames. If any fanbase can complain about their head coaches it's the Flames fans as this organization has totally bombed when it comes to finding great head coaches. Take away Darryl Sutter and it's a total graveyard for decades.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Kasi

But you know that won’t happen and he’ll keep giving Markstrom the majority of the starts. This starting players like Markstrom (and Lucic) when he’s stunk is part of why this board is losing patience with him. Sutter playing favorites is something a lot of people here aren’t enamoured with.

I just think he has a lot more patience than fans who seem to live and die by the last game. Peak Markstrom has one of the highest ceilings for goaltenders in the NHL. There is still plenty of runway left on the season and if Markstrom can turn it around for the home stretch it would do wonders.

At the same time as a fan wins are sure more fun than losses and I personally would like to see the team win now. Vladar has been winning and I also would like to see him play more. Markstrom has had plenty of time to find his game and just when it's rounding into form this year he seems to take a step back again.

Sutter has been around a long time and seen it all. From day one he has been saying this teams goal is to just make the playoffs when the media and many fans were saying they were contenders. I think he realized we were losing two offensive superstars and goals would be harder to find this year. It was just hard to see Markstroms struggles continuing for a season.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

To be fair try and name the last Flames head coach that worked as a head coach in the NHL again post-Flames. If any fanbase can complain about their head coaches it's the Flames fans as this organization has totally bombed when it comes to finding great head coaches. Take away Darryl Sutter and it's a total graveyard for decades.

I agree with this 100% and was just making a joke.

At the same time, we finally have a coach who isn't a Gully or a Ward and people want to run him out of town after half a mediocre season. I even read a certain poster try to write off his teams good seasons (including two cups) as flukes.

They lost two offensive superstars in the offseason and the Vezina caliber goalie is playing with the yips. We don't have a Mackinnon or a McDavid or a Stamkos. We have a Huberdeau who was just traded and a Lindholm. If this team is going to win it will have to be tight games where they don't give up much. I don't think opening things up will give this team much success when the goalie is playing poor and we don't have the offensive horsepower of other teams.

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

I agree with this 100% and was just making a joke.

At the same time, we finally have a coach who isn't a Gully or a Ward and people want to run him out of town after half a mediocre season. I even read a certain poster try to write off his teams good seasons (including two cups) as flukes.

They lost two offensive superstars in the offseason and the Vezina caliber goalie is playing with the yips. We don't have a Mackinnon or a McDavid or a Stamkos. We have a Huberdeau who was just traded and a Lindholm. If this team is going to win it will have to be tight games where they don't give up much. I don't think opening things up will give this team much success when the goalie is playing poor and we don't have the offensive horsepower of other teams.

Agree 100%. They cant open it up and be more creative because it ends up in the back of net. They cant outscore their problems with how Markstrom and the D on some nights is playing. I think they should play Vladar more than Markstrom going forward just because the team seems to play different when he is in net however.

[sonq]

I just read on Twitter that Sutter changed the lineup in the 3rd. How did they look? Cause honestly I just fast forwarded the whole period and don't want to go back and watch it

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by sonq

I just read on Twitter that Sutter changed the lineup in the 3rd. How did they look? Cause honestly I just fast forwarded the whole period and don't want to go back and watch it

The 3rd was their best period. At one point they were out shooting Colorado 13-3 in the 3rd. Not sure how much of that was game effects though.

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by jg13

Vladar has got you points in his last 10 consecutive starts and Markstrom has now lost back to back in regulation. I understand these losses aren’t exactly Markstroms fault but it is becoming clear the team plays differently in front of Vladar for whatever reason.

Give the guy a chance to take the net FFS.

I don't think the team plays better in front of one goalie or the other. With both goalies being big in size, the only thing different right now is that Vladar is positionally way better than Markstrom. Vladar is using his size advantage really well and he doesn't need to make a lot of spectacular saves. Markstrom, on the other hand, for a big goalie, he's playing like a small goalie and trying to make plays everywhere in the defensive zone up to the blue line if he sees fit. The only reason why the team in front of Markstrom plays differently is because they need to scramble to save Markstrom's ass!

Like what Sutter had said in the past, it's hard to play catch-up every game, especially when you're down 2 or 3 goals from the first period.

Anyway, enough talk about Markstrom. He's actually doing the Flames organization a favor.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

I agree with this 100% and was just making a joke.

At the same time, we finally have a coach who isn't a Gully or a Ward and people want to run him out of town after half a mediocre season. I even read a certain poster try to write off his teams good seasons (including two cups) as flukes.

They lost two offensive superstars in the offseason and the Vezina caliber goalie is playing with the yips. We don't have a Mackinnon or a McDavid or a Stamkos. We have a Huberdeau who was just traded and a Lindholm. If this team is going to win it will have to be tight games where they don't give up much. I don't think opening things up will give this team much success when the goalie is playing poor and we don't have the offensive horsepower of other teams.

Sutter is a very good head coach but IMO this has been his worst season as Flames head coach. From the beginning of the season with his strange handling of Huberdeau (calling him the Flames greatest passer in preseason to calling him out in the media and the whole bathroom break thing), puzzling line combinations, overuse of Lucic, Markstrom, etc. With less than 3 minutes left in the game last night and the goaltender pulled he had Lewis and Lucic on the ice. Does he really think those are the best guys to have on the ice down two goals late in the 3rd period? Sometimes I get the feeling he would rather lose his way than win if it meant doing things things differently. Also team defense is poor and that reflects on the coaching staff as the talent level of the blueline has not been reflected in their play. As with several players on the roster, just hasn't been his best year for him.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by sonq

I just read on Twitter that Sutter changed the lineup in the 3rd. How did they look? Cause honestly I just fast forwarded the whole period and don't want to go back and watch it

If you read Bingos game report you can get a good read on what happened. Score effects impacted the stats at that point.

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

If Tkachuk and Gaudreau can get 100+ points with the Flames, so can Huberdeau. I don’t see why the player can’t have accountability for that. Blaming the coach? Really?

Kadri is almost on pace for a career high in goals, and on pace for his second best season in points. What’s the point of Huberdeau accumulating stats with a style of play that isn’t conducive to winning tough games?

Again - look at his coaching history. Last season was the glaring anomaly in terms of getting the most out of his star players which suggests highly to me that it had nothing to do with the coach, and everything to do with three high end players finding amazing chemistry and scoring at rates which were quite frankly unsustainable. It's been two decades since any other player scored a point a game or more in his system.

His handling of Huberdeau specifically both on and off the ice (with the media) has been flat out embarrassing. His confidence is absolutely shattered. This team is having no fun.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by Naitix

Can this team be a threat if Huberdeau does not get going? No. So get them a coach who can get him going. Huberdeau is a star player, and whatever Sutter is telling him is not helping.

Also side note, any time I have seen Sutter talk about Huberdeau he references him by his full last name, he doesn’t do that with other players… Lindy, Dubs, Matthew, Johnny etc. Do not think they have a good relationship

Totally agree that the team isn't going anywhere without an effective Huberdeau, but they also have a brilliant coach who can get results if his tactics stick. Its a bit of a stand off in philosophies right now.

Unfortunately Sutter and Huberdeau are clearly on different pages. I get the impression Huberdeau has the right attitude and is trying to do everything asked of him. But his powers are being restricted, and he looks like a pretty middling player.

The fact is this team isn't going to out defend any decent team in the playoffs, it wont happen. It isn't even happening now. Star players will get their goals and points, you can't completely shut them down, as we saw last year, and that's the modern NHL. Gamebreakers are what will win you playoff games and series'. You need those guys who will score or set up the big goals. The guy that is supposed to contribute to that for the Flames is Huberdeau, so I think you have to figure out way to unleash his abilities.

Sutter and Huberdeau need to just have lunch and hash it out, or one of them is going to go. It isn't working.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

I agree with this 100% and was just making a joke.

At the same time, we finally have a coach who isn't a Gully or a Ward and people want to run him out of town after half a mediocre season. I even read a certain poster try to write off his teams good seasons (including two cups) as flukes.

They lost two offensive superstars in the offseason and the Vezina caliber goalie is playing with the yips. We don't have a Mackinnon or a McDavid or a Stamkos. We have a Huberdeau who was just traded and a Lindholm. If this team is going to win it will have to be tight games where they don't give up much. I don't think opening things up will give this team much success when the goalie is playing poor and we don't have the offensive horsepower of other teams.

I didn't say fluke I said it took a lot of everything going right you think winning 3 consecutive game 7's one of which they came back 0-3 which was only done twice before and winning 3 overtime games in the finals doesn't involve some luck?

Or was this was some juggernaut just playing tight games?

Get a grip winning involves some luck and those stat lines show a lot went the Kings way that playoff run.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

To be fair try and name the last Flames head coach that worked as a head coach in the NHL again post-Flames. If any fanbase can complain about their head coaches it's the Flames fans as this organization has totally bombed when it comes to finding great head coaches. Take away Darryl Sutter and it's a total graveyard for decades.

Which paints a pretty spooky picture in replacing the current coach doesn't it?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

Again - look at his coaching history. Last season was the glaring anomaly in terms of getting the most out of his star players which suggests highly to me that it had nothing to do with the coach, and everything to do with three high end players finding amazing chemistry and scoring at rates which were quite frankly unsustainable. It's been two decades since any other player scored a point a game or more in his system.

His handling of Huberdeau specifically both on and off the ice (with the media) has been flat out embarrassing. His confidence is absolutely shattered. This team is having no fun.

Glen was tossed for having the team play that boring 5 man connect the dots style that got us a high volume of shots but team looked like crap and not dangerous. Star players light it up when we are out of the race.

Bill Peters comes in and a bunch of guys have career years, Flames play a exciting brand of hockey scoring off the rush fade towards the end of the season and get pumped in the playoffs.

Next season the team looks like they hate life and hockey struggling out the gate to a 12-12-2 start after they decided playing the way they did the season before didn't work who knows what happens if Peters didn't get fired.

Ward is fired for playing the same ugly slow style like. Sutter comes in unable to get the team going star players again light it up while out of a playoff position.

Full season of Sutter another 50 win season with career years high scoring team, Sutter calls out previous coaches for being trash and hes the best. Team almost out in the first round, and they get smoked in the 2nd round some because of the awful goaltending and the other being a team that looks stunned.

Next season repeat the second Peters season. Team playing a slower style trying to set up in the offensive zone and offensive creativity and skill killed with players who had career years the year prior looking like they are 4th liners.

Its hilarious how this guy calls out all the previous coaches and is getting the same results playing the same style and talks about maximizing talent yet they look like crap.

Not to mention the type of personality he has grind on a team day in and day out. Sutter is effective for a short period of time, he should not have been extended.

[Toonage]

But ownership loves him. And thats probably why we're about to say good bye to Treliving, Huberdeau, who knows who else

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Which paints a pretty spooky picture in replacing the current coach doesn't it?

We have had some good AHL coaches but we never gave them the head job have we?

Guys like Jon Cooper and Jared Bednar came up from the AHL. They don't always work but Mitch Love seems to be getting a lot out of the AHL team.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Glen was tossed for having the team play that boring 5 man connect the dots style that got us a high volume of shots but team looked like crap and not dangerous. Star players light it up when we are out of the race.

Bill Peters comes in and a bunch of guys have career years, Flames play a exciting brand of hockey scoring off the rush fade towards the end of the season and get pumped in the playoffs.

Next season the team looks like they hate life and hockey struggling out the gate to a 12-12-2 start after they decided playing the way they did the season before didn't work who knows what happens if Peters didn't get fired.

Ward is fired for playing the same ugly slow style like. Sutter comes in unable to get the team going star players again light it up while out of a playoff position.

Full season of Sutter another 50 win season with career years high scoring team, Sutter calls out previous coaches for being trash and hes the best. Team almost out in the first round, and they get smoked in the 2nd round some because of the awful goaltending and the other being a team that looks stunned.

Next season repeat the second Peters season. Team playing a slower style trying to set up in the offensive zone and offensive creativity and skill killed with players who had career years the year prior looking like they are 4th liners.

Its hilarious how this guy calls out all the previous coaches and is getting the same results playing the same style and talks about maximizing talent yet they look like crap.

Not to mention the type of personality he has grind on a team day in and day out. Sutter is effective for a short period of time, he should not have been extended.

Did previous coaches have two star players leave for the States and a goalie come back with the yips after a previous season in which they were Vezina runner up?

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I didn't say fluke I said it took a lot of everything going right you think winning 3 consecutive game 7's one of which they came back 0-3 which was only done twice before and winning 3 overtime games in the finals doesn't involve some luck?

Or was this was some juggernaut just playing tight games?

Get a grip winning involves some luck and those stat lines show a lot went the Kings way that playoff run.

Winning Cups involves luck. Half a season of mediocre play is about the coach.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by Toonage

But ownership loves him. And thats probably why we're about to say good bye to Treliving, Huberdeau, who knows who else

Who realistically would trade for Huby’s contract?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

Did previous coaches have two star players leave for the States and a goalie come back with the yips after a previous season in which they were Vezina runner up?

The two star players got replaced with a 115 point player a 87 point player playing a premium position. A 40 point defenseman.

Do those players suddenly suck?

Those coaches had Mike Smith, Cam Talbot, and Brian Elliott.

Markstrom has sucked, but he also has another goalie who is 7-0-3 in his last 10 starts but he continues to play the guy who sucks.