[OOT] January 17 with eight games.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Funny how Provorov comes out with some damaged way of thinking and all the sudden social media is full of rumours Edmonton wants to trade for him. A perfect fit.

Its really the only silver lining here.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Nm

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1615541820515319809

[mogwai]

With recent anti-LGBTQ+ laws in Russia and "his religion" being fully supportive of killing civilians in Ukraine make no mistake what Provorov is actually respecting. Extending freedoms to those who deny them for others never works.

[BoLevi]

On Provorov: the great irony of our time is how those on the "liberal left" are currently the most illiberal.

There is nothing more illiberal than wanting to punish someone for Wrongthink. I'm sure Provorov's view is silly and antiquated, but the reaction to his decision reveals how illiberal the left mob actually is.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

On Provorov: the great irony of our time is how those on the "liberal left" are currently the most illiberal.

There is nothing more illiberal than wanting to punish someone for Wrongthink. I'm sure Provorov's view is silly and antiquated, but the reaction to his decision reveals how illiberal the left mob actually is.

Wow, another gem from you right there.

[curves2000]

I think it's ok for someone to not take part in a jersey wearing event or other version of something in a job or corporate event. Not everybody agrees with everything and not everybody "supports" every aspect of everything all the time. Even within certain communities, groups, causes and more there are differences. We are all shaped by our upbringing, our own situations and more.

Certain things are just ok and we should be adult to accept things quietly, no matter what. Not everything needs to be a battle but we also need to accept there is a whole lot of fakeness and posturing with a lot of general causes no matter what.

If he had said hurtful things or is a known person with certain views, than ok, I get some of the reaction.

Let's not always get pacified easily and let's not lose sight of the bigger issues at play.

I recall the BLM movement during the 2020 pandemic and the NBA players, PA and the league. Lot's of talk about this and that and raising awareness, and people putting their opinions out there. How many people in power or leaders took real stands? What ended up happening in the end? We turned NBA arenas into voting centers? That was it? Nobody lost any money, nothing really changed. Couldn't they have come to an arrangement as simple as having NBA player on court apparel be manufactured in inner city communities to give minorities an opportunity to contribute in a meaningful way?

I just sometimes think these shows of support sometimes don't address the real issues in any meaningful way and just are for random show.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by JJolg

Your comment has more hate, he didn’t wear the jersey because it’s not what he believes in, said so himself. Everyone has a choice as they should but stop forcing everyone to do as you do. Christ this world is going to hell

My issue with these Orthadox religions is how they pick and choose what to follow . He cites his religious beliefs this time . I think any one smart in the media would ask " So you won't support this cause because of religious beliefs but do you also support the anti- Semitic, anti freemasonry and the Putins believe the church wants the war in Ukraine? That's the problem with allowing religious freedoms.

You can't be religious and pick and choose. You either believe in that doctrine or you don't the laklck of following it to a tee meansnyou don't have the faith in it . You literally don't keep your Faith by picking and choosing what to follow.

[DeluxeMoustache]

^ to me, we all know that there are lots of people out there with views we see as unrelatable, reprehensible, etc

The Flyers have overwhelming support in the organization, nearly unanimous

No need to give this guy any more attention

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

On Provorov: the great irony of our time is how those on the "liberal left" are currently the most illiberal.

There is nothing more illiberal than wanting to punish someone for Wrongthink. I'm sure Provorov's view is silly and antiquated, but the reaction to his decision reveals how illiberal the left mob actually is.

How do you know I'm not a conservative that In my religious rights opinion It's wrong to discriminate as God's love is for every one and he made us in his Image? If a person's gay who am I to question God's will? He works in mysterious ways . God is love for all his children . Me acting out against his will is a test of my faith. Who am I to question the will of our lord . His will will be done. God is love. Love for all the children of the earth...

Generalizing it's just " Libtards" is ridiculous. I mean the previous was not me personally but I know many conservative people that are like that .

[Icantwhisper]

So many people so eager to get out the pitchforks, I think he did the movement a favour. How many of us would be talking about this today or even would have known about the flyers pregame jersey had he chose to participate? Wouldn’t have even made the highlights. Nobody outside flyers arena would have known, remember when the devils had their pride jerseys on dec 28th? Me neither.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

How do you know I'm not a conservative that In my religious rights opinion It's wrong to discriminate as God's love is for every one and he made us in his Image? If a person's gay who am I to question God's will? He works in mysterious ways . God is love for all his children . Me acting out against his will is a test of my faith. Who am I to question the will of our lord . His will will be done. God is love. Love for all the children of the earth...

Generalizing it's just " Libtards" is ridiculous. I mean the previous was not me personally but I know many conservative people that are like that .

I genuinely laughed at how stupid a suggestion this is.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by Icantwhisper

So many people so eager to get out the pitchforks, I think he did the movement a favour. How many of us would be talking about this today or even would have known about the flyers pregame jersey had he chose to participate? Wouldn’t have even made the highlights. Nobody outside flyers arena would have known, remember when the devils had their pride jerseys on dec 28th? Me neither.

The Flyers and Torts handled this situation perfectly. They did not punish him for not wanting to be compelled to make statements he did not agree with. However, they clearly laid out their organizational values in a respectful manner, and made the day a positive one.

The player's views are clearly obnoxious, but he didn't go out of his way to advocate for them - he simply refused to make a statement with which he disagreed.

All of this is exactly how a disagreement should be handled. It also demonstrates the best way to convince people (both the players and those observing) to come to your side of the issue. Punishment cannot achieve that.

The people who handled this situation in the most despicable manner are those advocating for some sort of Struggle Session where the player either conforms or is punished with cut icetime or by being scratched.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Icantwhisper

So many people so eager to get out the pitchforks, I think he did the movement a favour. How many of us would be talking about this today or even would have known about the flyers pregame jersey had he chose to participate? Wouldn’t have even made the highlights. Nobody outside flyers arena would have known, remember when the devils had their pride jerseys on dec 28th? Me neither.

This is pretty much nonsense and misses the point completely.

Pride Night isn’t supposed to be a big deal. It’s a little thing teams do that really is only for fans in attendance. You don’t need to hear about every team’s night for it to matter. This isn’t some “bad publicity is better than no publicity!” situation. Educate yourself, because suggesting that people against LGBTQ saying so publicly is actually good for LGBTQ kids is extremely stupid.

And for the absolute losers in this thread who don’t get it and are trying to use this as an opportunity to share your own dim little political ideology or broken sense of morality: it’s not about the fact that Provorov doesn’t agree with or “believe in” LGBTQ rights or whatever. He’s allowed not to. There is not some intolerant/illiberal agenda about it. The fact is that on a night that maybe only makes a small difference to a few LGBTQ children in attendance, since no adult actually thinks putting on a Pride warmup jersey constitutes unwavering support and interest in queer folks, Provorov made it about him. Nobody would have confused his participating in warmups with his individual support of LGBTQ people. Nobody would have cared. He’s just one player and it’s a warmup of all things. A jersey. But he made it about him. And then cowered about it. It’s pathetic.

Compare it to players kneeling if you want. The difference is that those players didn’t pretend it was anything but a protest. If Provorov and Torts want to have a little protest, go for it. Stand behind what you believe in like mature adults, don’t hide behind some “I respect everyone” bull####. And expect, at minimum, the same amount of criticism people who kneeled got. Should Provorov be out of the league like Kaepernick?

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

I genuinely laughed at how stupid a suggestion this is.

I've heard it a couple of times but don't believe them.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

This is pretty much nonsense and misses the point completely.

Pride Night isn’t supposed to be a big deal. It’s a little thing teams do that really is only for fans in attendance. You don’t need to hear about every team’s night for it to matter. This isn’t some “bad publicity is better than no publicity!” situation. Educate yourself, because suggesting that people against LGBTQ saying so publicly is actually good for LGBTQ kids is extremely stupid.

And for the absolute losers in this thread who don’t get it and are trying to use this as an opportunity to share your own dim little political ideology or broken sense of morality: it’s not about the fact that Provorov doesn’t agree with or “believe in” LGBTQ rights or whatever. He’s allowed not to. There is not some intolerant/illiberal agenda about it. The fact is that on a night that maybe only makes a small difference to a few LGBTQ children in attendance, since no adult actually thinks putting on a Pride warmup jersey constitutes unwavering support and interest in queer folks, Provorov made it about him. Nobody would have confused his participating in warmups with his individual support of LGBTQ people. Nobody would have cared. He’s just one player and it’s a warmup of all things. A jersey. But he made it about him. And then cowered about it. It’s pathetic.

Compare it to players kneeling if you want. The difference is that those players didn’t pretend it was anything but a protest. If Provorov and Torts want to have a little protest, go for it. Stand behind what you believe in like mature adults, don’t hide behind some “I respect everyone” bull####. And expect, at minimum, the same amount of criticism people who kneeled got. Should Provorov be out of the league like Kaepernick?

Provorov didn't make it about himself. Everyone else did that.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

Provorov didn't make it about himself. Everyone else did that.

Sorry, I don’t care what “BLM is stupid because nobody ever suggested black people don’t matter” and the illiberal “unvaccinated people should be killed” contrarian loser has to say about the topic. Quote someone else, hypocrite.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Sorry, I don’t care what “BLM is stupid because nobody ever suggested black people don’t matter” and the illiberal “unvaccinated people should be killed” contrarian loser has to say about the topic. Quote someone else, hypocrite.

I think the better way to get to the bottom of all of these issues is to engage in constructive discussion with people with whom you don't agree.

Vitriol is unnecessary.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

I think the better way to get to the bottom of all of these issues is to engage in constructive discussion with people with whom you don't agree.

Vitriol is unnecessary.

No, you like being a contrarian even when it makes you hypocrite, because you love wasting everybody’s time. Nobody here respects you or finds the schtick interesting, there are countless posters of all beliefs that engage in constructive discussion on a variety of topics, you’re not one of them.

As I said, bark up another tree. That too hard for you?

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

No, you like being a contrarian even when it makes you hypocrite, because you love wasting everybody’s time. Nobody here respects you or finds the schtick interesting, there are countless posters of all beliefs that engage in constructive discussion on a variety of topics, you’re not one of them.

As I said, bark up another tree. That too hard for you?

I prefer to engage in a discussion about ideas, rather than resorting to personal attacks and ad hominem arguments.

Attempting to compel Provolov to make a statement with which he does not agree and then claiming that a refusal to be compelled is "making it about him" is an illogical position. It can't be defended - a perspective that is bolstered by your inability to defend the position beyond name calling.

Provorov did not ask for this controversy, it was forced upon him.