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[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

He wasn't meddling in roster moves in LA like he is allowed to in Calgary. He was given the players to coach and play not mock and make fun of players the organization drafted and store them in the press box.

lol get a grip

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

He wasn't meddling in roster moves in LA like he is allowed to in Calgary. He was given the players to coach and play not mock and make fun of players the organization drafted and store them in the press box.

So zero proof just verbal diarrhea

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by dino7c

lol get a grip

Common man he's done exactly that and this coming from a guy who left the organization in shambles and with Jay Feaster of all people to clean start cleaning up his mess.

Darryl Sutter knows a thing or two about a crappy prospect base he helped build one here.

I've defended him before and when he does things right I will defend him again but he needs to start giving players a chance and not just his pets.

[FlamesAddiction]

Matthew Phillips also has the physique of a bantam hockey player.

Pelletier will get his shot. If Phillips was given a couple of games, Sutter won't have any issue giving Pelletier a shot. He is just waiting for the right time.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Common man he's done exactly that and this coming from a guy who left the organization in shambles and with Jay Feaster of all people to clean start cleaning up his mess.

Darryl Sutter knows a thing or two about a crappy prospect base he helped build one here.

I've defended him before and when he does things right I will defend him again but he needs to start giving players a chance and not just his pets.

Darryl Sutter isn’t a common man.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

He wasn't meddling in roster moves in LA like he is allowed to in Calgary. He was given the players to coach and play not mock and make fun of players the organization drafted and store them in the press box.

LOL you have no clue what he did and didn't do in LA. Absolutely no clue at all.

If you take a deep breath, you might find that Sutter's coaching is having a bigger positive impact than last year.

Two 40 goal scorers gone.
The biggest offensive threat brought in to replace them hasn't played that great.
Mangiapane has been a shadow of the player we saw in the first half last year.
Same with Markstrom, most important position on the team.

Name a key player who has personally improved over last year? Rasmus maybe?

I'd say on the whole the team is less talented and some key players haven't brought their best game. Yet the team remains in contention.

Coaching is a strength IMO.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Other teams also could have had Phillips for free and passed....what is their excuse?

The Flames also don't have a Cole Caufield in the minors but even if they did its a little easier to find room in that Montreal lineup that will miss the playoffs by 30 points

How about when Cole Caufield was playing in the cup finals for Montreal?

Or how about Alex Newhook who won a cup with the best team in the NHL in Colorado last year.

Really I could make an even longer list but it's not worth it, you believe the Flames can do no wrong and go out of your way to try to defend their honor every chance you get.

Honestly i hope you get a pay cheque from the org for all the water carrying you do on this site.

I have no problem with people being optimistic and try to be optimisitc myself but doesnt mean you cant be critical of at least some of the teams decisions.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

LOL you have no clue what he did and didn't do in LA. Absolutely no clue at all.

If you take a deep breath, you might find that Sutter's coaching is having a bigger positive impact than last year.

Two 40 goal scorers gone.
The biggest offensive threat brought in to replace them hasn't played that great.
Mangiapane has been a shadow of the player we saw in the first half last year.
Same with Markstrom, most important position on the team.

Name a key player who has personally improved over last year? Rasmus maybe?

I'd say on the whole the team is less talented and some key players haven't brought their best game. Yet the team remains in contention.

Coaching is a strength IMO.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

How about when Cole Caufield was playing in the cup finals for Montreal?

Or how about Alex Newhook who won a cup with the best team in the NHL in Colorado last year.

Really I could make an even longer list but it's not worth it, you believe the Flames can do no wrong and go out of your way to try to defend their honor every chance you get.

Honestly i hope you get a pay cheque from the org for all the water carrying you do on this site.

I have no problem with people being optimistic and try to be optimisitc myself but doesnt mean you cant be critical of at least some of the teams decisions.

come on guy, maybe actually read what you are saying and what I said because its 100% true.

The Flames don't have a Cole Caufield in the AHL...to suggest they do and just don't want to play them is pretty silly

Phillips was available for free to every NHL team (even the Chicago's and Phoenix's) was he not? they all passed...this is a true statement.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by dino7c

come on guy

The Flames don't have a Cole Caufield in the AHL...to suggest they do and just don't want to play them is pretty silly

Phillips was available for free to every NHL team (even the Chicago's and Phoenix's) was he not? they all passed...this is a true statement.

Strawman - Oliver Kylington cleared waivers once too. Phillips is in the Flames org and the Flames are the team that have the onus to actually develop and give him a shot. Personally I would just like the team i cheer for to give an actual look to a prospect with 1.5 PPG in the AHL, who had been the farm teams best offensive player for 3 seasons now.

And really this discussion was about Pelletier anyways.

Sure maybe Pelletier isn't Cole Caufield but their pre-NHL performance actually wasnt that different to be honest. Caufield has been put in a position to succeed and has thrived because of it.

You seem to be ignoring Alex Newhook though, and the other names I mentioned.

Lets just look at the games we lost on this road trip.

Lukas Reichel (2020 Draft) has similar AHL numbers to Pelletier, he had 2 points including an assist on the game winner for Chicago.

Jusso Parssinen (2019 Draft) was a 7th round pick for Nashville in 2019, he has 10 points in 10 AHL games and now has 18 points in 30 games for Nashville including the game winner last night.

Jake Neighbors (2020 Draft) has 14 points in 19 career AHL games and hes able to get in the Blues lineup and had an assist in the Blues win against the Flames.

These guys are helping their teams beat the Flames in the last week. All Pelletier's age or younger with less impressive AHL stats. They are contributing in games while Pelletier sat in the press box.

Pelletier could work on his strength for sure, every 21 year old can. But this coach is using that as an excuse and a crutch not to play these guys right now. Its that simple and IMO its holding these players development and this team back.

Size is a factor for sure, but plenty of really good NHLers are 5'10" and less than 200lbs. And not like size wouldnt hold them back in the AHL too which can be even grittier and less skilled at times.

[dino7c]

A 21 year old in the AHL playing big minutes isn't holding his development back, it's probably helping based on history

And you are really going to use the worst team in the NHL and the Blues with 8 guys out as examples of teams letting finding spots for young guys

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by dino7c

A 21 year old in the AHL playing big minutes isn't holding his development back, it's probably helping based on history

And you are really going to use the worst team in the NHL and the Blues with 8 guys out as examples of teams letting finding spots for young guys

Im not going to sit here and list every example of 2019 picks contributing in the NHL, especially when you ignore names like Newhook that dont fit your narrative.

And actually my guess is most first round picks dont need that much AHL time, especially if they produce at a point per game.

Honestly though man its useless to even have this discussion with you because you are unable to be open to any type of critical thought against the Flames, and I know im not the only poster thats said this.

I like the optimisim you bring to the forum and have about the team, but doesnt mean that you need to defend every single thing this organization does. Hell somebody in the OOT tonight mentioned that teams around the Flames keep winning and you felt the need to turn that into a defense of the Flames even though the guy didnt even really say anything bad about the Flames.

[CGY12]

Originally Posted by dino7c

lol get a grip

You might be the ultimate optimistic Flames fan, I have no issue with that, but wow you are some kind of special when dealing with people who don't share the same opinion as you. Telling people to get a grip, calling them losers, being a hypocrite and telling posters to enjoy the win in the PGT when they have anything remotely critical to say about the team but at the same time in other PGTs instigating crap by attacking folks who said anything critical in the game thread after a win.

[Jiri Hrdina]

With all due respect you don’t seem very open to considering his point of view either
Both of you have your heels dug in pretty hard

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

ahhhhh, hypocrisy

point a finger pal, and there's 3 pointing back at you!


on another note, ferkin' perds.

[CGY12]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

With all due respect you don’t seem very open to considering his point of view either
Both of you have your heels dug in pretty hard

Is this directed towards me?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by CGY12

Is this directed towards me?

No you posted in between.
To supermatt

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

With all due respect you don’t seem very open to considering his point of view either
Both of you have your heels dug in pretty hard

If he was actually trying to provide a real example of

A) How the Flames are doing the right thing to help them win
B) Why this is actually better for Pelletier's development

Then id happily have the discussion.

Instead he cherry picks the examples that I provided and provided nothing more than a blind defense of the Flames.

So personally I dont actually see much of a point of view worth considering there because he really hasnt made much of an effort to actually make an argument worth considering.

Honestly its no different then the overly negative posts that have no substance that we see in the PGT after losses or in the Fire Treliving thread, just the opposite end of the spectrum on the positive side instead of the negative side.

[Jiri Hrdina]

What I see is two people who have decided their view, are largely seeing and interpreting things that only support that view and are largely ignoring what each other saying
But carry on…

[MrMike]

For once we are actually developing players properly in the AHL and people still complain.

Ruin players like Sam Bennett for not letting them play and develop in the minors.