Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

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[terryclancy]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Trudeau handing Provincial election to Smith.

JT doesn’t mind Notley being the collateral damage, he needs some villains in time for a Federal election.

I’ll say this for Yoho: He/she/it has a decent sense of what it might take for Ms. Imprecision to bamboozle Sun-“reading” mouth-breathers into cutting their own throats because “socialism/Laurentian elites/Quebec.”

Also, what is Yoho’s problem with the offering of Filipino-language classes?

[RedHot25]

Its an (im)precise science....

Like honestly, at this stage, WTF?

https://twitter.com/user/status/1615189499939618818

[RedHot25]

This is what the 6th? 7th? or is it 8th? Explanation/excuse/reason she has given on this topic.

I look forward to Yoho and Stickman posting more on Filipinos and transition.

[Fuzz]

Well I can see the confusion, given her Cherokee roots.

[Fuzz]

“It is a bit frustrating, there’s no question, that once the wheels of justice roll on certain cases that there really isn’t anything a politician can do other than watch it play out,” Smith told Newman.

Also interesting she finds our justice system frustrating, in that politicians like her can't meddle in it. What a dope. Also, frighteningly dangerous.

[Locke]

Why did they call it 'Just Transition?'

It just sounds needlessly patronizing.

What idiot's desk did that name cross who thought: "Yep! Thats the winner!"

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Locke

Why did they call it 'Just Transition?'

It just sounds needlessly patronizing.

What idiot's desk did that name cross who thought: "Yep! Thats the winner!"

I'm think they split the consulting bill with Just Freehold Energy.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Locke

Why did they call it 'Just Transition?'

It just sounds needlessly patronizing.

What idiot's desk did that name cross who thought: "Yep! Thats the winner!"

It was definitely less patronizing than the alternative, "stop whining! oil & gas isn't here forever and you're gonna need a job" slogan. Not very catchy as a hashtag either.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Sounds like door to door UCP guy owned you, pretty weak sauce general rebut’s.

owned? he is the one going door to door for Smith

its hard to argue with a smart person and impossible to argue with a stupid one

[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by Wormius

It was definitely less patronizing than the alternative, "stop whining! oil & gas isn't here forever and you're gonna need a job" slogan. Not very catchy as a hashtag either.

Just curious if anyone on this board actually thinks end of Oil and Gas will never come? Doubtful.

I think the debate is around style of transition. Mainly impact to workers and economy.

Its a fair conversation without name calling or condescension. Yet it feels like the Federal government has a knack to bucket people in boxes. You know certain “political classes” that are just so backwards.

The stakes are a litle more than “just whining”, and given you were around in 2014 I am wondering if you were privy to the problems a sudden downturn caused here in Calgary? Domestic abuse, drug abuse, homelessness, suicide?

Its not something you wave off. Its very real.

So back to the Feds, I would think they would want to sit down and plan this out with stakeholders. Wouldn’t they? Or are we just trusting this government that its all good? Do I really need to list out credibility issues, or is that just whining?

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

So back to the Feds, I would think they would want to sit down and plan this out with stakeholders. Wouldn’t they? Or are we just trusting this government that its all good? Do I really need to list out credibility issues, or is that just whining?

Several years ago OSAG and CAPP and the big producers were sitting at the table having these discussions on what a path forward looked like. The provincial government was at the table with the federal government around such issues.

Now we have one of those stakeholders grandstanding and calling such talk ‘a non-starter’.

So the real question is whether or not your concern and/or anger is properly directed?

[surferguy]

Originally Posted by terryclancy

I’ll say this for Yoho: He/she/it has a decent sense of what it might take for Ms. Imprecision to bamboozle Sun-“reading” mouth-breathers into cutting their own throats because “socialism/Laurentian elites/Quebec.”

Also, what is Yoho’s problem with the offering of Filipino-language classes?

He doesn’t like the idea of more people finding out about balikbayan boxes.

[Reggie Dunlop]

This is Alberta.

We speak American.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

Just curious if anyone on this board actually thinks end of Oil and Gas will never come? Doubtful.

I think the debate is around style of transition. Mainly impact to workers and economy.

Its a fair conversation without name calling or condescension. Yet it feels like the Federal government has a knack to bucket people in boxes. You know certain “political classes” that are just so backwards.

The stakes are a litle more than “just whining”, and given you were around in 2014 I am wondering if you were privy to the problems a sudden downturn caused here in Calgary? Domestic abuse, drug abuse, homelessness, suicide?

Its not something you wave off. Its very real.

So back to the Feds, I would think they would want to sit down and plan this out with stakeholders. Wouldn’t they? Or are we just trusting this government that its all good? Do I really need to list out credibility issues, or is that just whining?

They did, and are. Just because Smith is bleating on and on about not being consulted, doesn't mean the UCP before her didn't speak with them. In fact, given how wrong she is about everything, you can usually assume the opposite of what she is saying is true.

How we are talking to Canadians

17 Roundtables with experts, unions and industry

30,000+ Written submissions received

Meetings with provinces, territories and Indigenous groups

https://www.rncanengagenrcan.ca/en/c...ust-transition

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Locke

Why did they call it 'Just Transition?'

It just sounds needlessly patronizing.

What idiot's desk did that name cross who thought: "Yep! Thats the winner!"

Hold on to your pants, Locke. It was the unions.

Just transition is a framework developed by the trade union movement

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_transition

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Locke

Why did they call it 'Just Transition?'

It just sounds needlessly patronizing.

What idiot's desk did that name cross who thought: "Yep! Thats the winner!"

My first thought is they picked the closest thing they could to Justin Trudeau's name. I can picture Trudeau sitting there going" I don't know why, but I love the name, Let's do it"

[Ozy_Flame]

We are so f'd as a society if we get hung up on the arbitrary name of this program rather than the program itself. This is the kind of stuff that wastes precious time, money, and veritas. The way misinformation and hate grows like fungus is once again proving obstructive to how we move forward as a country.

It's not even a Canadian phrase. It's a world-wide one that showed up about seven years ago with regards to climate change policy at the UN.

Blame who you want about poor messaging and low fidelity politicking, but the program is inevitable, whether through a softer or harder approach. Feds have been consulting with the proper stakeholders on this program in a Canadian context, and head-in-the-sand or combative responses are not going to avert what's about to happen over the next 20-30 years.

For the record, the movement is intended to address worker's rights and livelihoods. It's not a movement that simply "abandons" conventional labor and throws them to the wayside. It's readjusting industry, economy, and policy for a more sustainable future that includes the workers in that map.

All this fury about "Just Transition" and tying it back to anti-Trudeau pablum is once again proving itself to simply be resistance to change. In other words, business as usual for human beings.

[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by Roughneck

Several years ago OSAG and CAPP and the big producers were sitting at the table having these discussions on what a path forward looked like. The provincial government was at the table with the federal government around such issues.

Now we have one of those stakeholders grandstanding and calling such talk ‘a non-starter’.

So the real question is whether or not your concern and/or anger is properly directed?

It seems odd then that the general reaction from industry to Trudeau’s meetings with Germany and Japan were generally negative, also the new emission targets set forth by the Environment Ministry. Or did I honestly misunderstand that reaction? Not the UCP or Smith but industry itself.

Do They see no business case in exporting LNG to Europe and are thumbs up with the coming legislation and likely all it entails?

Just saying because I know fairly well in agriculture it doesn’t sound that way, at least not last year when the agriculture caps were announced. Then backed off due to outrage.

[Fuzz]

It is pretty silly to oppose this as Smith is. Like it or not, we are already in the transition. Where I work we have moved into these new markets. We have massive solar installations, wind, storage, hydrogen, geothermal, lithium exploration, CCUS, all happening right now. Farming reinvents itself constantly with new technology. The ship has sailed on conventional oil. Pre-2014 is not ever coming back.

So why not take what the feds are offering in support? Where is the drawback? So frustrating watching the media whip up a storm about this with no facts presented.