[PGT] Flames 6 Stars 5 - Classic Afternoon Game

[OminousFlames]

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

Mangiapane and Huberdeau both made unnecessary passes from high danger spots on the ice in the third. I don’t understand how a team that prioritizes shot volume can pass up on high danger chances.

I get that if the pass is successful, that it might be a near tap in but let’s say Mangiapane had a 30% chance of scoring on his own and the guy he’s passing to has a 60% chance of scoring, the pass needs to be perfectly delivered and received more than 50% of the time to make this a smart decision. I’d rather take the 30% chance of scoring than add the variable of a pass…

What made it worse is that Mangiapane’s pass was to Backlund who had a bad angle.

Exactly. That powerplay he had a golden opportunity to snipe a goal, but he decided to make a high risk pass instead. huge turning point. You felt like the Flames were only playing to not lose, than to win.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Hahahaha so true. Thankfully nothing conclusive on video.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1614385100090744834

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I don’t disagree that Vladar should get starts going forward for the time being. This is simply about how people talk about Markstrom - even when he wins. This same performance would have had certain posters sharpening pitchforks. Even though none of the goals were terrible.

I mean I think there is a big enough body of work that Vladar should have a lot of rope. Not sure he will, but the guy is 8-3-3 in all the games he has started. 12 of those games are against teams above .500 and 2 of them against teams below .500. He gets the tough games and wins or gets points most of the time.

I think Vladar may appear to not get beat up as much because people do less of it after wins. And when he starts the Flames win more, if you count OTL as losses, in his starts the Flames win 8/14 (57% of the time). In Markstrom’s starts the flames win 13/30 (43% of the time). Folks are going to be grumpier after a loss.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

Lol i did not think that was that much of a downer post.

I just want Bedard so bad

I can't even imagine what "doing everything they can do get a shot at Bedard" really means. Outside of asking the team to lay down and lose every game, how do you think they even work themselves into that place?

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by rogermexico

I am throwing the biggest party ever the day Pavelski retires. You are all invited.

The way he is going, he isn't retiring for another 10 years. I'll be in my dirt nap long before he effing retire!

[DomeFoam]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

Who can be the most negative after beating a top team in the conference? I know some of you are just itching to win this prestigious title.

Stop being so negative man! Enjoy the win!


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[Paulie Walnuts]

That was a fun win.

Hopefully we have a lot more of these high scoring wins ahead.

6-5 is the new 3-2

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I don’t disagree that Vladar should get starts going forward for the time being. This is simply about how people talk about Markstrom - even when he wins. This same performance would have had certain posters sharpening pitchforks. Even though none of the goals were terrible.

Even if none of the goals were bad the out cry would have been that you "need your goalie to make a save" which isn't wrong.
But as Bingo's re-cap points out, the stats show it wasn't a great game by either goalie.

Will be interesting to see if Sutter is adopting a win and stay in approach or not. I suspect we will see Markstrom back.

The other thing is I'm not sure how you do get Pelletier in the lineup because who do you take out? Duer has looked good on the 4th, Lewis is solid and I don't think taking out Ruzicka would be good.

So then you Lucic on the 2nd line which is the obvious spot, but he continues to make some good plays to hang on to the spot.

So I'm not sure where you get Pelletier in.

[DomeFoam]

Boys played really solid through 40. They definitely have more confidence and pep in their step with Vladar between the pipes, implosion and all. Really hope Darryl doesn’t mess with the formula. Play 80 in Nashville.


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[Ziggy Lidstrom]

Entertaining afternoon tilt.

Vladar played Wel in the second when Dallas was really pushing until the puck started going in for us.

Nice to see Huberdeau get two apples.

Our team sure is ready to go in the first period. That mangiapane backlund and Coleman lime sure look good together again.

Zadorov looked lackadaisical on that shortie. Redeemed himself with that big hit.

That third was wild. Even their second goal you could tell they weren’t going to lay down. Goals in the last minute of a period have a way of biting you. Luckily for this team they held on.

Hanifin and Anderson sure look pretty unconfident playing against teams that can turn up the intensity and forecheck. They need to regroup.

Tanev looked great today. So many smart plays in the Defensive zone and a nice clapper to make chopper proud.

So happy for Lewis to get a PP goal. Man that guy is really valuable.

They score for vladar. Keep him in.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Even if none of the goals were bad the out cry would have been that you "need your goalie to make a save" which isn't wrong.
But as Bingo's re-cap points out, the stats show it wasn't a great game by either goalie.

Will be interesting to see if Sutter is adopting a win and stay in approach or not. I suspect we will see Markstrom back.

The other thing is I'm not sure how you do get Pelletier in the lineup because who do you take out? Duer has looked good on the 4th, Lewis is solid and I don't think taking out Ruzicka would be good.

So then you Lucic on the 2nd line which is the obvious spot, but he continues to make some good plays to hang on to the spot.

So I'm not sure where you get Pelletier in.

I think you roll with Vladar because he's giving us big saves and win but the team looks a lot better offensively with him in net. They seemed fragile in front of Markstrom and the game seems like a grind.

[CalgaryFan1988]

I know some people in the Game Thread said that the 3rd Stars goal should have counted, as Vladar intentionally knocked the net off.

I disagree with the intent. It looked like Vladar just tried to push off to make a save and the net came off. Weird one.

Glad the Flames held on, win is a win.

[Hockey_Ninja]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1614387475526586369

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

I know some people in the Game Thread said that the 3rd Stars goal should have counted, as Vladar intentionally knocked the net off.

I disagree with the intent. It looked like Vladar just tried to push off to make a save and the net came off. Weird one.

Glad the Flames held on, win is a win.

Intent is irrelevant.

63.6 Awarded Goal - In the event that the goal post is displaced, either deliberately or accidentally, by a defending player, prior to the puck crossing the goal line between the normal position of the goalposts, the Referee may award a goal.

[OminousFlames]

I'm happy for a win.. but why did Sutter not call a timeout? It was clear that the Flames were on their heels for the majority of the third period.

[Paulie Walnuts]

If it was 3-0 and we end up winning 3-2 it's the same thing. It just looks like a collapse because it was a high scoring game.

It really wasn't a collapse Dallas got some bounces to make it close. They didn't really do much until the 3rd anyway.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I think you roll with Vladar because he's giving us big saves and win but the team looks a lot better offensively with him in net. They seemed fragile in front of Markstrom and the game seems like a grind.

The big difference for me wasn't the Flames were some offensive juggernaut just because Vladar was in net, it was that they were actually getting some breaks, along with some really weak goaltending from Wedgewood.

I keep reading some people believe that it's a different team with Vladar in net. I don't see it. They're very inconsistent with both in net. But hey.....they took advantage of what was given to them today and put 6 up on the board, I'm okay with that. I like wins.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

https://twitter.com/user/status/1614387475526586369

I don't think so.

Huberdeau has 14:00 and Kadri had 16:00 and that's with PP time.

5v5 it looks like he's getting the same with that line.

Lucic is never coming off that line a place holder would have been removed by now.

[Yikes]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

The big difference for me wasn't the Flames were some offensive juggernaut just because Vladar was in net, it was that they were actually getting some breaks, along with some really weak goaltending from Wedgewood.

I keep reading some people believe that it's a different team with Vladar in net. I don't see it. They're very inconsistent with both in net. But hey.....they took advantage of what was given to them today and put 6 up on the board, I'm okay with that. I like wins.

I dunno...they certainly hit the gas pedal in the offensive zone with the D very active....then they took their foot off the gas. My advice, don't take the foot off the gas.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Intent is irrelevant.

63.6 Awarded Goal - In the event that the goal post is displaced, either deliberately or accidentally, by a defending player, prior to the puck crossing the goal line between the normal position of the goalposts, the Referee may award a goal.

I didn't mean that it shouldn't have been a goal, just mean't that I disagreed with posters who said he mean't to knock it off. For the net to come off that easy, I don't think it was on right to begin with though.