Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[Lubicon]

Originally Posted by Yikes

Yeah? I'm not so sure. Within my group of friends in Calgary I would say that 80% are voting NDP simply because they do not trust or believe anything Smith says, her going off the rails in the end days of her talk show does not help.

With Rachel we know the devil, with Smith....not so much.


Personally I think Smith gets murdered in YYC.

I honestly have no idea how it will go. My experience is almost the polar opposite. Personally, all my work colleagues entirely loath the NDP and will never vote that way if their tone during conversations is any hint. The vast majority of people I see commenting on LinkedIn and Twitter posts are the same. And while I know that is highly unscientific, I can count on two fingers people who I know that might vote NDP.

[Dion]

GUNTER: Notley well advised not to talk too much about Trudeau's ‘Just Transition’

If I were Notley, I wouldn’t want to open my mouth about Trudeau’s fairy tale plan and remind voters of my own.

Alberta’s New Democrats were probably also hoping Trudeau would just forget about his plan to kill Alberta’s oil and gas sector, because the similarities between Notley’s transition experiment with coal and Trudeau’s on oil would likely remind voters of how cozy Notley is with the PM, especially on eco issues.

At her Wednesday media availability, Notley accused Smith and Trudeau (but mostly Smith) of simply “throwing darts at each other.” The NDP leader further chastised Smith by saying the premier’s anti-Ottawa language was suppressing investment in the province.

And does Notley really want to start throwing stones over ruining investment? Trudeau’s anti-pipeline, anti-oilsands, anti-energy policies — that he brought in while Notley was premier — cost Alberta at least $150 billion in investment.

Moreover, Notley’s own enviro-fantasy policies helped put our province into one of its deepest recessions. Ever.

There was a joke in Saskatchewan during their energy-sector recovery (while ours was still mired in recession) that the best thing for economic development in Saskatchewan was an NDP government in Alberta.

Thanks to the Alberta NDP’s obsession with environmentalism and climate change (which rivals Trudeau’s), Alberta workers were making an estimated $60 billion a year less when the NDP left power than they would have been if nearly 160,000 private sector jobs had not been lost.

Some of that, sure, was attributable to a collapse in world oil prices in 2014. But other energy-producing jurisdictions began to recover by 2017. Alberta never did until the Notley half of the Notley-Trudeau tag team was voted out of office.

All of that probably explains why Notley didn’t immediately condemn Justin Trudeau’s anti-Alberta rhetoric. Notley didn’t want to disturb the ghosts of her past government.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/other...58885535fff45c

[Inglewood Jack]

when I look for objective, fact-based journalism I never have to look any further than the Edmonton Sun opinion column. thank you, I think we've got all we need here to make the right decision at the polls.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by Lubicon

I honestly have no idea how it will go. My experience is almost the polar opposite. Personally, all my work colleagues entirely loath the NDP and will never vote that way if their tone during conversations is any hint. The vast majority of people I see commenting on LinkedIn and Twitter posts are the same. And while I know that is highly unscientific, I can count on two fingers people who I know that might vote NDP.

Because the silent majority are busy working or looking at them and saying "No, I don't have time for this stupid nonsense" while the crazy uncles are railing against SoCiAlIsM on social media.

Seriously, LinkedIn's feed especially has regrettably become a cesspool of everybody's dad or grandpa posting political memes and really cringey, ill-advised comments on things that are publicly viewable. I've been paring down connections if they're actively participating in that sort of crap, and any political figure I just mute so I don't have to deal with the cancer in the comments.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

Seriously, LinkedIn's feed especially has regrettably become a cesspool of everybody's dad or grandpa posting political memes and really cringey, ill-advised comments on things that are publicly viewable. I've been paring down connections if they're actively participating in that sort of crap, and any political figure I just mute so I don't have to deal with the cancer in the comments.

Yep haha... if there's one golden taboo you shouldn't do on LinkedIn, it's post your political commentary. That is so risky from a business/career perspective, and rightfully so - it's corporate Facebook and people remember that ####.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Muta

Yep haha... if there's one golden taboo you shouldn't do on LinkedIn, it's post your political commentary. That is so risky from a business/career perspective, and rightfully so - it's corporate Facebook and people remember that ####.

In my opinion people who broadcast their political opinion on public facing websites ( with exception to people who have a career in politics) are

1. Dumb enough to think everyone agrees with them
2. Dumb enough to think people value their opinion
3. Dumb

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Yikes

Hell, I can copy and paste all day...want me to? I figure Yoho is a teenager with time on his/her hands.

If it helps demonstrate to the more reasonable conservative supporters that may be willing to vote for a different party exactly who their current party is trying to placate to, I say fill your boots.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

This may not be a popular opinion but I like Yoho’s posts. That isn’t to say I agree with what he posts but I do believe that in the big picture he’s providing a valuable service to the public.

Yikes!

[Looch City]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

This may not be a popular opinion but I like Yoho’s posts. That isn’t to say I agree with what he posts but I do believe that in the big picture he’s providing a valuable service to the public.

He's the embodiment of the quote "think of how stupid the average person is and realize half of them are stupider than that".

[chedder]

Originally Posted by Muta

Yoho just #### posts, he does it knowingly too - and enjoys it. He is the pure definition of a troll in this thread. If you really want to stick it to him, just ignore his drive-by's. He takes pleasure in being a hornet.

This is where I imagine Yoho to be.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Dion

Yikes!

The responses to Yoho’s posts make me feel a little nostalgic too.

I can remember a time when I was called every name under the sun for defending positions because some posters disagreed with my takes. The biggest difference between the two situations though was that I would actually respond by presenting facts to support what I was saying meanwhile Yoho, well, let’s just say Yoho isn’t likely to make very many people think twice about criticizing his or her opinions anytime soon.

[TorqueDog]

Imagine being the guy in the troll factory, while everyone else is whipping up FUD on major social media platforms, and you get assigned to some tiny hockey fan forum in Calgary because you're just not good enough.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

If the NDP win, what does the UCP do? They can't really aim further right, so perhaps they make their way back to the centre. But then they are competing on 2 fronts. I think they've worked themselves into a real pickle if this Smith gambit doesn't succeed.

I find it hard to imagine what the losing party does in either scenario.

A UCP loss and subsequent meltdown will certainly be entertaining. God only knows what would rise from those ashes.

NDP post-Notley is hard to fathom, too. If they do lose, then they absolutely need to merge+rebrand with the Liberals (already dead) and any non-morons from the Alberta Party. There are plenty of potential leaders who would be great public faces (David Shepherd, David Khan, Greg Clark, Iveson, Nenshi, to name a few)...but whether they can align the backrooms is the bigger question.

[Yikes]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

I find it hard to imagine what the losing party does in either scenario.

A UCP loss and subsequent meltdown will certainly be entertaining. God only knows what would rise from those ashes.

NDP post-Notley is hard to fathom, too. If they do lose, then they absolutely need to merge+rebrand with the Liberals (already dead) and any non-morons from the Alberta Party. There are plenty of potential leaders who would be great public faces (David Shepherd, David Khan, Greg Clark, Iveson, Nenshi, to name a few)...but whether they can align the backrooms is the bigger question.

Nenshi? I just ran to the can to vomit...please stop.

[RedHot25]

WTF? It's actually getting worse now, yet another reason? Explanation? Excuse? What is this number 3? 5?

No wonder we are talking about empty hamburgers, because the Premier's actions - and comms team - are not looking good. At all....

https://twitter.com/user/status/1613987746305159169

[Hemi-Cuda]

God she is such a stupid human

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by chedder

This is where I imagine Yoho to be.

I would have guessed the Canadian Energy Centre

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

I would have guessed the Canadian Energy Centre

God I hope we get an NDP government just to see the truth about that place. Just a few million down the tubes, but it's okay, because it's being used to screw with the left.

NOTLEY'S LIGHTBULBS THOUGH! NOW THAT'S THE REAL TRAVESTY! lol

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Dion

GUNTER: Notley well advised not to talk too much about Trudeau's ‘Just Transition’







https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/other...58885535fff45c

This article editorial appears to be intentionally misleading. It is grossly misusing data by presenting it without sourcing or context. While the numbers may be factual they certainly aren’t a reasonable presentation.

One egregious example is when talking about Carbon Taxes he states Notley had one before Trudeau without bothering to mention that The PC governments were early adopters of carbon taxation for industrial emitters

This articles intended purpose is to tie Notley, Trudeau and Anti Oil together regardless of the factual nature of the assertions.

[RedHot25]

First time reading Lorne Gunter, ggg?

To be polite he's an opinion columnist..m