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Old 01-13-2023, 09:30 AM   #8581
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Is there a top-6 winger who’d improve their fortunes more than the 7th leading scorer in the league?
His goal-scoring is nothing to write home about. Great at racking up assists, but so is Huberdeau. The problem doesn’t seem to be a lack of guys who can pass the puck, but the lack of guys who can actually put those passes in the back of the net.

Would rather try to get Meier, for example, who is the one actually putting the puck in the net.
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His goal-scoring is nothing to write home about. Great at racking up assists, but so is Huberdeau. The problem doesn’t seem to be a lack of guys who can pass the puck, but the lack of guys who can actually put those passes in the back of the net.

Would rather try to get Meier, for example, who is the one actually putting the puck in the net.
Meier would be a high price rental given the teams cap going forward and his contract which is basically the Tkachuk deal with an insanely high qualifying offer that walks him to UFA.

Though I wonder if we see him sign a long-term deal with San Jose that takes him off the market. I think he's the guy they should still be re-building around and is young enough to be a part of the new core as the young players mature.
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NHL.com has him at 3 crossbars and 4 posts on the season so far.

Toff 1 ups him with 4 and 5.

By the way.

NHL record since it is being tracked in 2009/10 is 6 crossbars held by Benn, Seguin and Saad in one season.

Ovi's hit the iron 125 times since they keep track of this stat and Benn the master of the crossbar with 21.
Where does 18 year old Sam Bennet land?
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Where does 18 year old Sam Bennet land?
League leader in disallowed wraparound goals.
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His goal-scoring is nothing to write home about. Great at racking up assists, but so is Huberdeau. The problem doesn’t seem to be a lack of guys who can pass the puck, but the lack of guys who can actually put those passes in the back of the net.

Would rather try to get Meier, for example, who is the one actually putting the puck in the net.
Meier’s trade value is close to what Tkachuk’s was.
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Meier’s trade value is close to what Tkachuk’s was.
Huberdeau and Weegar for Meier, get er done.

Then trade Meier for the haul you should’ve traded Huberdeau and Weegar for.
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Huberdeau and Weegar for Meier, get er done.

Then trade Meier for the haul you should’ve traded Huberdeau and Weegar for.
Nope.
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The way I look at all this is there was a large, large portion of the fan base that wanted to jettison Johnny and to a smaller degree Tkachuk before their break out years last year. I’m more than willing to be patient with the new talent that we’ve locked up long term. Look at some of the older players who are playing solid hockey right now; Huby and Weegar are still so very new to the team and it will take time to realize their true value but as it sits we’re in the thick of a playoff race with much of our top end talent not even coming close to playing to their peak abilities. Not worried in the slightest with the new additions and I have full confidence that we’ll see positive growth from them over the next few seasons and even through the rest of this year.

The only guy I’d consider trading atm would be Markstrom because I feel Wolf has very little left to prove at the AHL level and Vladar has taken mega strides but it would have to be a perfect deal that makes sense as Marky is still very well liked in the room and generally speaking Goalies are streaky players.

Stay the course this year; don’t trade the first for a rental and I’m happy with the direction the Flames are headed in despite feeling as low as I’ve felt as a fan of this team this past July. It’s actually quite remarkable and I think the sky is the limit with this roster that is producing more balanced scoring across the lineup; once the big guns start to heat up look out.
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Meier’s trade value is close to what Tkachuk’s was.
This post won't age well

It's not even close
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Hahahahahaha good luck
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And if a team wants Lucic for their playoff run, it'll cost at least 2 first round picks...and a prospect
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lol Erik "glass man" Karlsson is actually healthy and producing, the Sharks should try to dump him for whatever they can get and not be greedy.
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No input on that ask from Greg Millen, obviously.
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There is no playoff team that could even take the contract
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I wonder that Karlsson would look likeunder Sutter. Either the disciplined game would improve him and he'd be awesome, or he'd reject it entirely.
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It's not even close
Tkachuk's value wasn't as great an many on hear thought he got strictly based on the trade.

The Flames got one year of two very good players who were approaching the normal aging curve who required huge contracts to stay.

There is a reason why the Flames got a good prospect and a first round pick too.

But looking at Meier more closely, he's a bit older than Tkachuk was, and while his production has been very good, but not at Tkachuk's level.

So his trade value would be less, but still quite high. It would likely equate to a first round pick an excellent prospect and some more. Calgary doesn't have the cap space to fit him in next year, so I doubt he a realistic target.
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Huberdeau and Weegar for Meier, get er done.

Then trade Meier for the haul you should’ve traded Huberdeau and Weegar for.
If it were possible to trade Huberdeau before that $10.5 cap hit for 8 years kicks in, I would do it. In hindsight, I wish we would have let him go as a UFA and threw money at either Horvat or Meier next season

I would love to eat crow on this, but I think that Huberdeau contract is going to sink this team for almost a decade, either by being stuck with it or having to overpay to get someone to take it.
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The way I look at all this is there was a large, large portion of the fan base that wanted to jettison Johnny and to a smaller degree Tkachuk before their break out years last year. I’m more than willing to be patient with the new talent that we’ve locked up long term. Look at some of the older players who are playing solid hockey right now; Huby and Weegar are still so very new to the team and it will take time to realize their true value but as it sits we’re in the thick of a playoff race with much of our top end talent not even coming close to playing to their peak abilities. Not worried in the slightest with the new additions and I have full confidence that we’ll see positive growth from them over the next few seasons and even through the rest of this year.

The only guy I’d consider trading atm would be Markstrom because I feel Wolf has very little left to prove at the AHL level and Vladar has taken mega strides but it would have to be a perfect deal that makes sense as Marky is still very well liked in the room and generally speaking Goalies are streaky players.

Stay the course this year; don’t trade the first for a rental and I’m happy with the direction the Flames are headed in despite feeling as low as I’ve felt as a fan of this team this past July. It’s actually quite remarkable and I think the sky is the limit with this roster that is producing more balanced scoring across the lineup; once the big guns start to heat up look out.
You make some very good points that I agree with. What concerns me though is the ceiling with Weegar and Hubey once they are at there best with the team.How much of an impact can they have. Even people that knew Hubey in Florida said he was not a guy to carry the team or was a big play driver. A player that is good at transitioning the puck. That is what this team needs and that is a huge cap hit for just a guy that puts up assists.I like Weegar but he makes to many mistakes in his own end and offensively does some good things but I feel his offensive numbers were inflated being in Florida. The big question is our top players good enough?
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