[GDT] Calgary Flames at St Louis Blues 6:00pm TV: SNW, BSMW - RADIO SN960

[dino7c]

.650 in their last 10 games

107 point pace...this place reads like they lost 10 straight lol

Just win tonight,. 3 of 4 points vs. the Blues on the road is a good result. Hopefully Vladar plays well as goaltending is the main thing holding them back lately. That .650 should probably be .750

[Flaming Horse]

The issue is not with Sutter giving the young guys a chance, it is the lack of talent within the org. That is TRE. Nobody told Tre to trade a first round pick and two second rounders and the first which turned into Noah Dobson for travis harmonic.Nobody tells Tre to draft all these small guys with skating issues. Just look at the lack of talent on the farm other than WOLF. These guys showed nothing in preseason and just because they are point a game player does not mean that translate to the NHL. If they were ready and able to contribute at the NHL level they would be playing.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Flaming Horse

The issue is not with Sutter giving the young guys a chance, it is the lack of talent within the org. That is TRE. Nobody told Tre to trade a first round pick and two second rounders and the first which turned into Noah Dobson for travis harmonic.Nobody tells Tre to draft all these small guys with skating issues. Just look at the lack of talent on the farm other than WOLF. These guys showed nothing in preseason and just because they are point a game player does not mean that translate to the NHL. If they were ready and able to contribute at the NHL level they would be playing.

There is talent there, but I would agree, it does start to become concerning that the organization has only graduated one player - one! since 2017: Ruzicka

I do think there is talent to be found. Pelletier, Zary, Wolf and Coronato are all potentially impact NHL players. They may not be ready now and may not be top line talent, but I would bet they will be NHL players sooner than later.

[Northendzone]

Originally Posted by dino7c

.650 in their last 10 games

107 point pace...this place reads like they lost 10 straight lol

Just win tonight,. 3 of 4 points vs. the Blues on the road is a good result. Hopefully Vladar plays well as goaltending is the main thing holding them back lately. That .650 should probably be .750

while this is true, the reality is that over 42 games the flames have 47 points which is on pace for 94 points

[Cain]

Originally Posted by Flaming Horse

The issue is not with Sutter giving the young guys a chance, it is the lack of talent within the org. That is TRE. Nobody told Tre to trade a first round pick and two second rounders and the first which turned into Noah Dobson for travis harmonic.Nobody tells Tre to draft all these small guys with skating issues. Just look at the lack of talent on the farm other than WOLF. These guys showed nothing in preseason and just because they are point a game player does not mean that translate to the NHL. If they were ready and able to contribute at the NHL level they would be playing.

Are we judging this entirely on preseason? Because that seems like a pretty narrow view. A lot of players had terrible starts this year, including veterans.


I don't think anyone expects players in the AHL to bring their PPG seasons into the NHL and just continue on without trouble, but the success they are having does show that they a) have talent and b) could possibly bring some of that success to their parent club.

[TheScorpion]

Am I to believe that the farm team that has been a top-3 club in the entire AHL over the last two seasons has a lack of talent?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Northendzone

while this is true, the reality is that over 42 games the flames have 47 points which is on pace for 94 points

So they are improving?

That is bad?

[CF84]

Originally Posted by Flaming Horse

Since Darryl arrived back with the team he has been criticizing the org and how things have been done. I don't think he is a Treliving fan. I am not either. Tre has had 9yrs with this team and has had very little playoff success. ALMOST NONE.Two playoff rounds won in 9 yrs is very sad. People need to start putting the focus on Tre and not Sutter. Tre built this team and he is the reason their are foundation issues and flaws. This team had no identity for 7 yrs until Sutter got here.That is on Tre. This org had no clue what it takes to win until Sutter got here.

Did you even watch what Sutter did with the work of Treliving in his first full year?

[Flaming Horse]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Am I to believe that the farm team that has been a top-3 club in the entire AHL over the last two seasons has a lack of talent?

Team success on the farm means almost nothing as it translates to the NHL. Teams can win it all down their and it doesn't do much for the big club.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Flaming Horse

The issue is not with Sutter giving the young guys a chance, it is the lack of talent within the org. That is TRE. Nobody told Tre to trade a first round pick and two second rounders and the first which turned into Noah Dobson for travis harmonic.Nobody tells Tre to draft all these small guys with skating issues. Just look at the lack of talent on the farm other than WOLF. These guys showed nothing in preseason and just because they are point a game player does not mean that translate to the NHL. If they were ready and able to contribute at the NHL level they would be playing.

You have no clue if this is true. Gotta give them legit chance to find out. My bet is they surprise to the upside.

Nobody should be entitled to icetime. Especially NHL icetime.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Flaming Horse

Team success on the farm means almost nothing as it translates to the NHL. Teams can win it all down their and it doesn't do much for the big club.

That's typically the case when you look at AHL superteams constructed with guys in their late 20s and early 30s. But the Wranglers are succeeding on the back of Flames draft picks who are scoring at excellent rates — Pelletier, Zary, and Phillips — plus Wolf.

It takes a great degree of dissonance to look at that production from young players, see the head coach not playing those guys when they're called up, and scratch your head saying "well, they must just not be good enough." It doesn't make any sense.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Making a change in the lineup after a loss is the easiest way to get a guy in. If Pelts isn't playing tonight I doubt he gets in the lineup. Just another player Sutter will refuse to play who will be sent down and next day he will complain about lack of skill while Lucic continues to get top 6 minutes.

I think the mistake was giving him the extension before seeing how he meshed with this new core, it doesn't seem to be a fit.

At least Vladar starts tonight.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Flaming Horse

Team success on the farm means almost nothing as it translates to the NHL. Teams can win it all down their and it doesn't do much for the big club.

BS. Not too much difference between the leagues except little bit of speed and size and glitz and glamour and namesake. Teams graduate and give kids shots all over the NHL. This year? Under Sutter? Can’t be done if you’re Pelletier or Phillips because of who you are.

[SuperMatt18]

How do people look at the Flames U-25 talent in the AHL and say there is no talent there. Not sure who the small guys with skating issues are either, since none of Phillips, Pelletier, Zary, or Coronato are bad skaters.

3 players in the top 10 of scoring for U-25 players in the AHL, but no talent there.

Phillips: 1st - 40 points in 27 games
Pelletier: 6th - 34 points in 31 games
Zary: 7th - 34 points in 33 games

IMO with those three and Coronato Flames fans should be excited about adding young forward talent to our core but the coach refuses to take a bit of risk to have them develop and maybe make the odd mistake at the NHL level.

Call it what it is. Flames dont have talented players that are also over 6'2", so Sutter has no space for them over guys like Zohorna, Duehr, Ritchie, or Lucic.

Look at the game against Chicago. Lukas Reichel who is 1.13 PPG in the AHL had a goal and two assists in the Hawks win. Pelletier who is 1.1 PPG in the AHL was sitting in the press box.

At this point if Coronato refused to sign here i wouldnt blame him for a second.

[tony-soprano]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

So sick of Sutter. Goes in to a presser talking about lack of talent, but won't give the top ahl talent a shot. Just crap

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[sonq]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

How do people look at the Flames U-25 talent in the AHL and say there is no talent there. Not sure who the small guys with skating issues are either, since none of Phillips, Pelletier, Zary, or Coronato are had skaters.

3 players in the top 10 of scoring for U-25 players in the AHL, but no talent there.

Phillips: 1st - 40 points in 27 games
Pelletier: 6th - 34 points in 31 games
Zary: 7th - 34 points in 33 games

IMO with those three and Coronato Flames fans should be excited about adding young forward talent to our core but the coach refuses to take a bit of risk to have them develop and maybe make the odd mistake at the NHL level.

Call it what it is. Flames dont have talented players that are also over 6'2", so Sutter has no space for them over guys like Zohorna, Duehr, Ritchie, or Lucic.

Look at the game against Chicago. Lukas Reichel who is 1.13 PPG in the AHL had a goal and two assists in the Hawks win. Pelletier who is 1.1 PPG in the AHL was sitting in the press box.

At this point if Coronato refused to sign here i wouldnt blame him for a second.

I agree with everything you said, but what's wrong with Duehr? I thought he was decent

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by sonq

I agree with everything you said, but what's wrong with Duehr? I thought he was decent

Duehr was fine.

I just dont think he should have been given the look before Pelletier. More just a point that he gets into the lineup because of his size.

[Mass_nerder]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

How do people look at the Flames U-25 talent in the AHL and say there is no talent there. Not sure who the small guys with skating issues are either, since none of Phillips, Pelletier, Zary, or Coronato are bad skaters.

3 players in the top 10 of scoring for U-25 players in the AHL, but no talent there.

Phillips: 1st - 40 points in 27 games
Pelletier: 6th - 34 points in 31 games
Zary: 7th - 34 points in 33 games

IMO with those three and Coronato Flames fans should be excited about adding young forward talent to our core but the coach refuses to take a bit of risk to have them develop and maybe make the odd mistake at the NHL level.

Call it what it is. Flames dont have talented players that are also over 6'2", so Sutter has no space for them over guys like Zohorna, Duehr, Ritchie, or Lucic.

Look at the game against Chicago. Lukas Reichel who is 1.13 PPG in the AHL had a goal and two assists in the Hawks win. Pelletier who is 1.1 PPG in the AHL was sitting in the press box.

At this point if Coronato refused to sign here i wouldnt blame him for a second.

I think when people complain about the talent in our prospect pool, it's not so much that there aren't some great looking guys that should be pretty close to breaking through, but rather that we don't have any game changing talent.
I'm not really sure it's a fair complaint because
a) those types of prospects are few and far between
b) you don't really know what you have until some of these guys get some serious looks with the big team.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

How do people look at the Flames U-25 talent in the AHL and say there is no talent there. Not sure who the small guys with skating issues are either, since none of Phillips, Pelletier, Zary, or Coronato are bad skaters.

3 players in the top 10 of scoring for U-25 players in the AHL, but no talent there.

Phillips: 1st - 40 points in 27 games
Pelletier: 6th - 34 points in 31 games
Zary: 7th - 34 points in 33 games

IMO with those three and Coronato Flames fans should be excited about adding young forward talent to our core but the coach refuses to take a bit of risk to have them develop and maybe make the odd mistake at the NHL level.

Call it what it is. Flames dont have talented players that are also over 6'2", so Sutter has no space for them over guys like Zohorna, Duehr, Ritchie, or Lucic.

Look at the game against Chicago. Lukas Reichel who is 1.13 PPG in the AHL had a goal and two assists in the Hawks win. Pelletier who is 1.1 PPG in the AHL was sitting in the press box.

At this point if Coronato refused to sign here i wouldnt blame him for a second.

Sutter would run away if that was his top 6. Coronato, Mangiapane, Pelletier, Dube lol.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

https://twitter.com/user/status/1613596570448166918

The Ruzicka part was the best. Whoever does these videos is good.

The guy representing Phillips at the end actually kind of looks like him IRL, just taller.