Too early to panic about Markstrom

[Delthefunky]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

I want the vladar/wolf era so bad

the buy out would clear a nice chunk of cap too

Can't see a buyout happening for a few years. They could start with giving him an extended break and seeing if he could at least earn his spot back though. At the same time we see what Vladar has.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Depends on what you consider to be "marginally better." Based on the math, it looks like Markstrom would have given up 10 less goals if he was at .906 this season.

Where would this team be in the standings with 10 less goals against?

especially with how many 1 goal games they have been in (league's most)

that could equate to 5-7 different results

the point swing there is potentially pretty massive in the context of this race

[DeluxeMoustache]

Yeah, that sounds right

60 % of their 42 games are 1 goal games

10 goals spread evenly can change the outcome of 6 games

That lifts them clear above the wild card bubble group into the division conversation

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Markstrom should not see the ice for the rest of the month.

I wouldn’t go this far. But Vladar should be the starter from here on out. It’s obvious that Marky can’t be relied on for long stretches. He isn’t Kipper, and that’s ok

[madmike]

Markstrom needs to be playing less. He doesn’t have it this season and it’s clear by now he’s not going to find it.

The Flames have a great backup and one of the best goalies not in the NHL. There’s absolutely no reason they should keep feeding losses to Markstrom.

[sonq]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

I wouldn’t go this far. But Vladar should be the starter from here on out. It’s obvious that Marky can’t be relied on for long stretches. He isn’t Kipper, and that’s ok

God I miss him

[sonq]

Originally Posted by madmike

Markstrom needs to be playing less. He doesn’t have it this season and it’s clear by now he’s not going to find it.

The Flames have a great backup and one of the best goalies not in the NHL. There’s absolutely no reason they should keep feeding losses to Markstrom.

Yup, last time Marky sat for few games, good things happened.

[Yeah_Baby]

sorry if this has been discussed before but at one point to do we start asking questions about LaBarbera? Or does the face that Vladar is, well, Vladar and making strides confirmation that it's all between Jacob's ears?

[Toonage]

Personally I think its obvious the problem is with Markstrom himself. Not sure a goaltending coach can fix what is happening. Also given the work they have done with Vladar and how well he is playing speaks volumes about the issues at hand with Markstrom. Again, IMO.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Just so y'all know, when Markstrom was in the Panthers minor system he would regularly have these meltdowns where he just couldn't stop a beachball, and then would go right back to stopping everything. That inconsistency is a major reason why they traded him away to Vancouver.

I thought he figured things out as a Canuck, and he looked like the same guy here...until this year. Those old mental demons are really haunting him again. Not sure anyone else can help him but himself right now.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

sorry if this has been discussed before but at one point to do we start asking questions about LaBarbera? Or does the face that Vladar is, well, Vladar and making strides confirmation that it's all between Jacob's ears?

What is LaBarbera doing wrong this year compared to last when Markstrom was a Vezina finalist? No goaltender ever had a year remotely close to that good under Sigalet. This is a mental thing with Markstrom so all they can do is work with him to get his confidence back which is a big thing for goaltenders. Hellebuyck was bad last season and part of the reason the Jets missed the playoffs kind of similar to Markstrom doing his best to derail the Flames playoff plans this season. This season he's a big reason the Jets are going to likely have home dates in the playoffs. I won't be surprised if Markstrom is a lot better next season as that's the way it is for goaltenders sometimes.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

What is LaBarbera doing wrong this year compared to last when Markstrom was a Vezina finalist? No goaltender ever had a year remotely close to that good under Sigalet. This is a mental thing with Markstrom so all they can do is work with him to get his confidence back which is a big thing for goaltenders. Hellebuyck was bad last season and part of the reason the Jets missed the playoffs kind of similar to Markstrom doing his best to derail the Flames playoff plans this season. This season he's a big reason the Jets are going to likely have home dates in the playoffs. I won't be surprised if Markstrom is a lot better next season as that's the way it is for goaltenders sometimes.

I agree, it mostly just a thought.

But I was thinking about some of Markstrom's positioning and rebound control (or lack there of). Wondering if it was ALL him or like feedback he was getting etc.

[Toonage]

Feels like Markstrom is second guessing his every move out there. Chest bumping a puck rather than sinking into it etc, the happy feet where he slides around the net trying to block rather than rely on positioning

[I_H8_Crawford]

The Oilers broke him.

If I were an Oilers fan, I would take a page from the Yankee's book with Pedro Martinez and do a "Who's your daddy" chant if he's in net.

[united]

After last night's games, Markstrom, who has the 6th highest cap hit of active goalies, has fallen to 24th in goals saved above expected per game among the 32 most played goalies this season.

At -0.2 per game, Markstrom has allowed 6 more goals than a league average starter this season. If assuming* cap hit should be perfectly reflective of performance, Markstrom has allowed 0.6 more goals per game than the #6 goalie (Kuemper) which translates to an 18-goal differential over his 30 starts. Rule-of-thumb of 3 goals per standings point and that's 6 standings points below expected which seems about right: The Flames would likely be 2nd in the Division and top 10 in the League.

Here's hoping he figures it out and quickly. At some point things need to shift from "can't blame the goalie on that one" to "the sixth highest paid goalie in the league needs to make that save every now and then."

For context, Markstrom over the last four seasons as well:
2021-22 - 7th
2020-21 - 24th
2019-20 - 6th
2018-19 - 15th

Cap numbers from CapFriendly. Other metrics from Natural Stat Trick.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by united

After last night's games, Markstrom, who has the 6th highest cap hit of active goalies, has fallen to 24th in goals saved above expected per game among the 32 most played goalies this season.

At -0.2 per game, Markstrom has allowed 6 more goals than a league average starter this season. If assuming* cap hit should be perfectly reflective of performance, Markstrom has allowed 0.6 more goals per game than the #6 goalie (Kuemper) which translates to an 18-goal differential over his 30 starts. Rule-of-thumb of 3 goals per standings point and that's 6 standings points below expected which seems about right: The Flames would likely be 2nd in the Division and top 10 in the League.

Here's hoping he figures it out and quickly. At some point things need to shift from "can't blame the goalie on that one" to "the sixth highest paid goalie in the league needs to make that save every now and then."

For context, Markstrom over the last four seasons as well:
2021-22 - 7th
2020-21 - 24th
2019-20 - 6th
2018-19 - 15th

Cap numbers from CapFriendly. Other metrics from Natural Stat Trick.

So weird that every other season he's great. I get that there's a mental element to the position but why can't the guy have back to back good seasons?

[Burning Beard]

For a 6 million dollar goalie you shouldn't have to be finding excuses about why goals went in like the third one last night when "Anderson screened him".

If he was playing up to his value he is saving one's he shouldn't be able to not missing slightly tricky shots. Hopefully they can play Vladar until the all star break and Markstrom can come back better.

[The Fisher Account]

The Edmonton series gave him the yips and I don't think he's mentally able to bounce back

[Infinit47]

Of the top 32 goalies by minutes played Markstrom is 26th in GSAA/60 at -0.31.

Pretty tough to compete when your starter is that bad.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by The Fisher Account

The Edmonton series gave him the yips and I don't think he's mentally able to bounce back

All of this on Marky is on Gaudreau! He should have never scored the OT goal against Dallas!

But seriously, if you have the yips against the Oilers you do not deserve to be on the Flames.